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Old 02-28-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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Um. Yes it is. It was invented (totally contrived) in the United States in the 70s, and the concept has spread by American influence.

This is well documented:

Making Hispanics: How Activists, Bureaucrats, and Media Constructed a New American, Mora

The concept of Latin America existed before then, but they idea that all people with origin in Latin American countries are part of the same ethnic group was indeed invented in the United States.

LOL. That's the truth. The concept does not come from Latin America. The notion of "hispanic" pan-ethnicity was literally invented in the United States.
wrong wrong wrong, dude the hispano-american anthem was written int he 1930s, and as antonio posted, we have used the term hispano for centuries
https://youtu.be/hLNZkQSmJ10


Latino is a more modern invention but is not an american concept but french, as the french wanted to highlight the cultural links with Latin america to increment its influence, they coined the term Latino-americano to highlight the latin common root of both cultures. that happened around 1795 during the Napoleonic expansion.


And lest not forget that there are hispano/latin/ibero american organizations for just about anything, just think about a trade, profession or activity and there is an association for it. some of those associations are centuries old.

I think you are suffering for a extreme case of "Columbusing" or thinking that you just discovered something because it is new to YOU. Americans discovered the term Hispanic in the 70s and now they think they invented the term. and not only the term but the concept behind it.

in the following link there is a collection of hispano-american magazines from the 1880 to 1930s. But of course, how can that be? if the term was invented by some american white lady in the 70s jajajajajaajajajjaja


http://www.red-redial.net/revista/an...e/view/174/199

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Old 02-28-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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I think the answer is pretty obvious - anyone who thinks this way has probably never been to Latin America (or only to one country).
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:55 PM
 
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This is the woman who coined the term "hispanic" in the 70s.



She brags about it:

Grace Flores-Hughes Interview -- She Made 'Hispanic' Official

The word "hispanic" existed before then, but it was a rare English word that just meant things that are related to Spain, it wasn't used as an ethnic identifier like it is today. People were never "hispanic" before this usage of the term was invented. She arbitrarily chose it.

Not just the term - the concept entirely. Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc were never thought to be nor did they identify as all one ethnic group. That was made up.
wrong, how can you explain that before that there were books written in english in the US that refer to hispanics as an ethic group, different than anglo-saxon americans?

https://www.amazon.com/Hispanic-Amer...s+Civilization


or this from 1933

https://www.amazon.com/Colonial-Hisp...spanic+America

https://www.amazon.com/Republican-Hi...a%3A+A+History
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:05 PM
 
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This is what I don't get...why do people assume that Latin America is one giant monolith?
Well, they all speak Latin, for one.
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Old 02-28-2018, 07:05 PM
 
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I would say there are cultural regions in Latin America where some countries are similar to each other. I understand that even within these countries there are big differences and sometimes the similarities with these countries might just be between certain regions, but this is how I would break it down.

Mexico - Guatemala
Southern Mexico and Guatemala share strong cultural ties. The Guatemalan accent is more similar to its Mexican neighbors than to its Central American bros.

Central Americans - El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua & Costa Rica.
I understand Costa Rica is different and much better off than their neighbors, But culturally speaking they share a lot in common with them. Food, Music etc etcc.

Caribbean Latinos - Cuba, Dom Rep, Puerto Rico, Coastal Venezuela, Coastal Colombia & Panama


Andean countries - Ecaudor, Peru, Bolivia
Strong indigenous flavor in these countries.

Southern Cone - Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Southern Brazil

Colombia is like all of them wrapped up in one. They are smack dab in the middle of Latin America, there is a bit of everything there.
Brilliant breakdown!

I would also put Northern Mexico and Northeast Brazil into separate categories. Northern Mexicans are unique for having more commonalities with the Southwest U.S. than Central Americans or even Southern Mexicans with the whole ranchero and cowboy culture.

Also, Northeast Brazil is unique in its strong mix of people that's similar to the Caribbean Latin cultures minus the Caribbean influence. Brazil is one of the few Latin American cultures with a large black population that's not heavily influenced by the Caribbean which is very interesting.
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Old 03-01-2018, 06:40 AM
 
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Well, they all speak Latin, for one.
It's called Spanish, Brazilians don't speak Spanish and speaking English doesn't make Americans English, does it?
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Old 03-01-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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It's called Spanish, Brazilians don't speak Spanish and speaking English doesn't make Americans English, does it?
i think what he meant is that they all (Latin Americans and Brazilians) speak a Latin derived language or Latin vulgar direct descendant.
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:23 AM
 
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Wrong wrong wrong, dude the Hispano-American anthem was written in the 1930s, and as Antonio posted, we have used the term hispano for centuries
https://youtu.be/hLNZkQSmJ10


Latino is a ... French ... concept, as the French wanted to highlight the cultural links with Latin America to increment their influence, they coined the term Latino-Americano to highlight the Latin common root of both cultures. That happened around 1795 during the Napoleonic expansion.
This is my understanding as well.

Most people are unaware what a huge impact Napoleon had on world history (perhaps on par with Alexander the Great). Among many other exploits, his armies invaded Spain, catalyzing political independence among Latin American countries, with hopes of exercising greater influence there.

In fact, many prevailing, but now waning, world views were forged during the 1770s-1820s period, including the concept of "western civilization" and the cockamamie idea that Greece, of all places, is the cradle of "western democracy", used as justification for making the territory a pawn of western European powers like, well, France, and UK, joined a century or so later by USA, when Italy, Germany, then Soviet Union challenged them.

Anyway, little or none of this is taught in standard US history textbooks, interested people have to rely on their own experiences and do their own research.

But the vast majority of people are way more concerned with paying mortgage, rent, utility bills, credit card charges and insurance premiums.

Good Luck!
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:54 AM
 
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This is my understanding as well.

Most people are unaware what a huge impact Napoleon had on world history (perhaps on par with Alexander the Great). Among many other exploits, his armies invaded Spain, catalyzing political independence among Latin American countries, with hopes of exercising greater influence there.

In fact, many prevailing, but now waning, world views were forged during the 1770s-1820s period, including the concept of "western civilization" and the cockamamie idea that Greece, of all places, is the cradle of "western democracy", used as justification for making the territory a pawn of western European powers like, well, France, and UK, joined a century or so later by USA, when Italy, Germany, then Soviet Union challenged them.

Anyway, little or none of this is taught in standard US history textbooks, interested people have to rely on their own experiences and do their own research.

But the vast majority of people are way more concerned with paying mortgage, rent, utility bills, credit card charges and insurance premiums.

Good Luck!
Exactly, is very hard for me to understand how Tritone is so sure of his argument, both Latino and Hispanic are very old concepts, one is older than the US it self. I know that this history is not taught in US schools but damm! being so american-centric is almost pathetic. To argue that latino-american have never seen themselves as a single ethnic group and sideline the multiple attempts to unify the continent, the millions of pages written about the subject for more than 3 centuries. They have wrote hundreds of books, created hundreds of hispano-americans associations, wrote songs, made flags, poems, all under the dream of a united Latin-america. But no, it was some lady in the US that came up with the idea. WTF!!!
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:05 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQv3...Adcow&index=50



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0G9a2Kn6-Q
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