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Not really.
Bolsonaro is a jerk but most middle class brazilian like me voted him because his economic team. They are doing the economic reforms that Brazil needs, three importants reforms are being voted in the congress rightnow. Very strange you tell that a goverment of only 8 months became Brazil worse than previous left wing administration who governated the country for 16 years.
Not only may the European Union cancel the Mercosur deal, the EU and other countries may boycott Brazilian products. Way to go Brazil voters. You’ve shut yourself in the foot. And no the US will not sign a free trade agreement with Brazil, and Brazil can not rely on China and India alone.
The economy was not really the problem before, the previous governments did a lot to help reduce poverty. their successful programs are being emulated in other countries.
The main problem before the election was the stagnation and uncertainty due to the corruption (which was wrongfully attributed to the government, but in reality covers politicians of all parties, nepotism also continues under Bolsonaro who insists on making his incompetent son ambassador in the US). And the violence of course, related mostly to drugs.
On both fronts Bolsonaro has not delivered, yet. And he won't because he goes the wrong way. Privatization is a one-shot profit, selling good companies like Embraer to foreigners makes no sense.
Nor does slashing the education budget as education is the foundation for the future.
One big problem in Brazil is religion/superstition, which also played a role in the election. As long as Brazilians cling to religion the way they do, they won't get far. There is a direct inverse connection between progress and religiosity.
One of my Brazilian friends told me the main reason why Bolsonaro got elected is that many Brazilians are uneducated fools.
Merco
You’re absolutely right about all of the above. Bolsonaro mow has the EU planning to scuttle the deal with Mercosur, and to even boycott Brazilian products. Other nations outside the EU are unhappy about this. Bolsonaro is now sending in the military.
"The Central Valley is largely inhospitable to dry farming. In this industrious backbone of the state, which alone produces a quarter of the nation’s food and 40% of its fruits and nuts, temperatures are too high, the rainfall too low, the farms too large." https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ght-wine-crops
Obviously there has to be agrarian reform in California. I’d say the agriculture in the Iberian peninsula is a lot more sustainable, though it too needs reform and wilderness restoration.
Pine and oak trees naturally grow across the Iberian peninsula, as do other species of trees, including eucalyptus.
I don’t think Brazil should destroy the Amazon, but if Western nation’s are serious about climate change more wilderness restoration has too take place in the West itself. China will have to do its part too.
The economy was not really the problem before, the previous governments did a lot to help reduce poverty. their successful programs are being emulated in other countries.
The main problem before the election was the stagnation and uncertainty due to the corruption (which was wrongfully attributed to the government, but in reality covers politicians of all parties, nepotism also continues under Bolsonaro who insists on making his incompetent son ambassador in the US). And the violence of course, related mostly to drugs.
On both fronts Bolsonaro has not delivered, yet. And he won't because he goes the wrong way. Privatization is a one-shot profit, selling good companies like Embraer to foreigners makes no sense.
Nor does slashing the education budget as education is the foundation for the future.
One big problem in Brazil is religion/superstition, which also played a role in the election. As long as Brazilians cling to religion the way they do, they won't get far. There is a direct inverse connection between progress and religiosity.
One of my Brazilian friends told me the main reason why Bolsonaro got elected is that many Brazilians are uneducated fools.
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Not only may the European Union cancel the Mercosur deal, the EU and other countries may boycott Brazilian products. Way to go Brazil voters. You’ve shut yourself in the foot. And no the US will not sign a free trade agreement with Brazil, and Brazil can not rely on China and India alone.
Economy is really a problem Neuling… PT was government for 16 years in the first 8 years they made a good government because Lula was presure to keep a conservative or orthodox economic managment, (spending less than earn, floating exchange, without big intervention in the economy), and they had luck of Brazilian economy in that times was flooded of commodities easy money from China. But when PT started with its keynesian interventionist agenda it was a disster… Another point was the big corruption in PT goverment. So what PT did, no longer works, although they gave a lot of important contribution for the social development of Brazil.
So in last year election we had 3 option, PT involved in corruption and with a economic agenda that doesn’t work, PSDB, involved in corruption and with a economic agenda ok, and… Bolsonaro a loudmouth, but renewing the goverment with many new people, not envolved in corruption and outsourcing to the super prepared and orthodox economist Paulo Guedes the economic administration… So most people thought in the pockets and not being complacent with corruption.
Yes Bolsonaro is provoking more problems than expected, but Brazil is a democracy, it is not kind of Venezuela, he can’t do all bull**** who he speaks, and if a impeachment is necessary Mourão is much better politician than Bolsonaro.
Economy is really a problem Neuling… PT was government for 16 years in the first 8 years they made a good government because Lula was presure to keep a conservative or orthodox economic managment, (spending less than earn, floating exchange, without big intervention in the economy), and they had luck of Brazilian economy in that times was flooded of commodities easy money from China. But when PT started with its keynesian interventionist agenda it was a disster… Another point was the big corruption in PT goverment. So what PT did, no longer works, although they gave a lot of important contribution for the social development of Brazil.
So in last year election we had 3 option, PT involved in corruption and with a economic agenda that doesn’t work, PSDB, involved in corruption and with a economic agenda ok, and… Bolsonaro a loudmouth, but renewing the goverment with many new people, not envolved in corruption and outsourcing to the super prepared and orthodox economist Paulo Guedes the economic administration… So most people thought in the pockets and not being complacent with corruption.
Yes Bolsonaro is provoking more problems than expected, but Brazil is a democracy, it is not kind of Venezuela, he can’t do all bull**** who he speaks, and if a impeachment is necessary Mourão is much better politician than Bolsonaro.
It’s impossible to eliminate corruption in any government. The United States has a political class that all goes to the same few universities. It’s corrupt, but what would getting rid of it mean? Getting some uneducated person even worse than Trump?
Bolsonaro’s tacts have never been shown to work. If the war on drugs and the get tough if crime approach have failed in the United States, how can they work in Brazil?
Brazilians were stupid to vote for him, just as Americans were stupid to vote for Trump. Trump ordered all American companies out of China. The US financial markets took a huge hit and CEOs said if US companies are forced out of China, European companies would buy them cheaply and it would be very hard to enter China again. American companies losing business in China will lay off American workers in US.
Trump and Bolsonaro are both white nationalists who are currently causing the US and Brazil lots of problems.
If the EU, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia, boycott Brazil of the Amazon it has serious issues. If Trump loses the election next year, the US could potentially join such a boycott.
It’s impossible to eliminate corruption in any government. The United States has a political class that all goes to the same few universities. It’s corrupt, but what would getting rid of it mean? Getting some uneducated person even worse than Trump?
Bolsonaro’s tacts have never been shown to work. If the war on drugs and the get tough if crime approach have failed in the United States, how can they work in Brazil?
Brazilians were stupid to vote for him, just as Americans were stupid to vote for Trump. Trump ordered all American companies out of China. The US financial markets took a huge hit and CEOs said if US companies are forced out of China, European companies would buy them cheaply and it would be very hard to enter China again. American companies losing business in China will lay off American workers in US.
Trump and Bolsonaro are both white nationalists who are currently causing the US and Brazil lots of problems.
If the EU, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia, boycott Brazil of the Amazon it has serious issues. If Trump loses the election next year, the US could potentially join such a boycott.
Friend... PT stollen 80 billions reais (20 billions dollar) only from Petrobras... is this level of corruption we are talking about. We had a dirty politic systen with all parties inside it, and PSL party and Bolsonaro were really out of this dirty... the message we had to give was to get everyone out... now we need control this moron and its children and create new clean leaders and arrest the olders with ''lava jato''...
In daily life in the Spanish speaking world, going to the bank, the doctor, the grocery store, the bar, or whatever else has to be done no is going to give a crap on how newscasters speak. You’ll
need to be able to understand them and respond.
Economy is really a problem Neuling… PT was government for 16 years in the first 8 years they made a good government because Lula was presure to keep a conservative or orthodox economic managment, (spending less than earn, floating exchange, without big intervention in the economy), and they had luck of Brazilian economy in that times was flooded of commodities easy money from China. But when PT started with its keynesian interventionist agenda it was a disster… Another point was the big corruption in PT goverment. So what PT did, no longer works, although they gave a lot of important contribution for the social development of Brazil.
So in last year election we had 3 option, PT involved in corruption and with a economic agenda that doesn’t work, PSDB, involved in corruption and with a economic agenda ok, and… Bolsonaro a loudmouth, but renewing the goverment with many new people, not envolved in corruption and outsourcing to the super prepared and orthodox economist Paulo Guedes the economic administration… So most people thought in the pockets and not being complacent with corruption.
Yes Bolsonaro is provoking more problems than expected, but Brazil is a democracy, it is not kind of Venezuela, he can’t do all bull**** who he speaks, and if a impeachment is necessary Mourão is much better politician than Bolsonaro.
Still, the sale of Embraer to foreigners required the government's green light, if I am not mistaken. And they are planning lots of privatizations. It was a radicalized ideological election campaign, similar to the US one.
The idea that all established politicians are corrupt and Bolsonaro and his crooks not is totally unrealistic.
Brazilians elected a scumbag because they were easily manipulated and didn't want to make the effort to check which of the other candidates are honest people. They were throwing the baby out with the bathwater and now they have an even bigger scumbag in office than Lula ever was. The way the judge conspired with the federal attorney in order to make sure Lula would cease to be a candidate (as became obvious from the emails leaked) says it all. It was basically a coup.
Still, the sale of Embraer to foreigners required the government's green light, if I am not mistaken. And they are planning lots of privatizations. It was a radicalized ideological election campaign, similar to the US one.
The idea that all established politicians are corrupt and Bolsonaro and his crooks not is totally unrealistic.
Brazilians elected a scumbag because they were easily manipulated and didn't want to make the effort to check which of the other candidates are honest people. They were throwing the baby out with the bathwater and now they have an even bigger scumbag in office than Lula ever was. The way the judge conspired with the federal attorney in order to make sure Lula would cease to be a candidate (as became obvious from the emails leaked) says it all.
The options of ''honests'' were socialists or libertarians. No thanks!
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It was basically a coup
Only missing you say; Lula livre!!
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