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Funny how a lot of people let the buildings of Buenos aires convince them that Argentina is somewhat more developed, white or European or whatever.
All those buildings where built in a era of huge immigration and economic growth, now they serve as a curtain to cover the economic collapse of that country.
Sure when you are driving around downtown BS it doesn't look that poor, but the fact is that Argentina has been going down for the last 30 years and today has a GDP-PPP lower than Panama. inflation is huge, and so is crime. Uruguay, the same, in 2018 Uruguay had a murder rate higher than the Dominican Republic.
but it keeps selling its self as the safest country in South America.
Argentina and Uruguay are still selling the image of a bygone era, and lots of people still buys that. but the facts are slowing catching up.
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Originally Posted by Grabandgo
Crime: Uruguay "Since January 2018, Uruguay has experienced a dramatic increase in crime to include armed robbery, carjacking, homicide, vehicle break-in, theft, residential break-in, and assault. Criminals are armed, brazen, and do not hesitate to resort to violence if victims resist or if the police attempt to intervene. In 2018, 382 homicides occurred in Uruguay, signifying a 35% increase from the 283 homicides in 2017."
inflation: consumer prices rose 4.7% for the month of March!, taking the year-to-date increase to 11.8%. Rolling 12-month inflation is running at 54.7%.
Grabandgo, I'm wondering, first of all: How do the crime trends in Argentina and Uruguay over the past 15 or so years compare to those of New York City in the 1960s-1980s (especially in the 1970s, when muggings were a fact of life even for the better-off of that city and when that city was on the verge of economic collapse)? How do the recent crime trends in Argentina and Uruguay compare to present-day Detroit, the South Side of Chicago, etc.?
Also, at this time, Uruguay has much lower inflation (just under 10%) than Argentina (over 50%), as pointed out in this link, but it's still ahead of all but 25 countries.
However, I do see here, here, and here that Uruguay does have a slightly higher murder rate than Argentina. One caveat of relying on murder rates to gauge the amount of criminality in a country (especially targeting innocent individuals), however, is that many murders take place amidst gang or drug activity, whereas robberies, muggings, etc. (which innocent individuals are the most vulnerable to) don't by any means always end up in murder or even violence. Having said that, it is paradoxical that Uruguay has the higher murder rate, as it's not only perceived as the better-off country socially and politically if not economically, but also that it's at least perceived as less corrupt than most if not all other Latin countries (including Argentina), as evidenced here and especially (with regard to perceptions of police corruption) here, putting Uruguay in line with perhaps the bottom tier of developed countries.
I'm wondering if people in Uruguay, as well as Argentina and elsewhere, would launch a social media movement to curb those disturbing regional trends in crime, the way that high school students in general reacted to the Parkland school shooting in Florida last year or in the way that that Swedish girl has been willing to skip school to protest world inaction to stop climate change?! Or at least to put pressure on the police and the government to reduce crime, the way that Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York City did after 1990 to sharply reduce crime in his city?! Maybe in the interim, besides the heavy physical security measures like multiple locks and iron gates and bars in the windows, Uruguayans and other Latin Americans could set up block watch areas if they haven't already done so?! All of this so that Uruguay's and Argentina's reputation as lower-crime countries becomes well deserved and so that they don't become another Brazil, South Africa, Venezuela, etc.!!!!!
1) there seems to be a lot of miscommunications with the ratial profiling in the Americas. (Most) people in the Americas we all have some degree of indigenous dna
2) Most countries in the Americas do not collect racial data in their surveys , first and most because most people don't even know what their racial background is .
* Most part of Canada (European majority )
* USA (European majority )
* California area ( mix of amerindian/european/black majority )
* Florida, Alabama and Caribbean area (mix of black/ european majority)
* Mexico (amerindian/european majority)
*Southern Mexico and Guatemala (amerindian majority)
* Central America (mix of european/amerindian majority)
* Costa Rica (European majority)
* Venezuela , colombia area (mix of European/amerindian/black majority)
* Coastal area of Peru and ecuador (mix of european/amerindian majority)
* Central area of Peru, southern most ecuador and Western area of boivia (amerindian majority)
* Southern bolivia,North argentina, North Chile , North Paraguay and west central brazil (amerindian/European majority )
* Most part of Brazil (mix of european/black majority)
* Southernmost Brazil , southern most Paraguay , southern most Argentina , southern most Chile and uruguay (European majority )
you got several of them wrong. USA is only like 60% White. Costa Rica is mostly Mestizo. Southern Chile is not European majority; as I said, most of the Mapuche population in the country live in the south, and the rest of the pop is mainly Mestizo as in the rest of the country.
Colombia is complicated. the Andes and Llanos (80% of the population) are mostly Mestizo; the Pacific is mostly Black; the Caribbean has all kinds of mix with Mestizos, Mulattoes, the largest indigenous group of Colombia (wayuus), Syrian-Lebanese immigrants etc.
you got several of them wrong. USA is only like 60% White. Costa Rica is mostly Mestizo. Southern Chile is not European majority; as I said, most of the Mapuche population in the country live in the south, and the rest of the pop is mainly Mestizo as in the rest of the country.
Colombia is complicated. the Andes and Llanos (80% of the population) are mostly Mestizo; the Pacific is mostly Black; the Caribbean has all kinds of mix with Mestizos, Mulattoes, the largest indigenous group of Colombia (wayuus), Syrian-Lebanese immigrants etc.
That's probably correct . But those stats are mainly based on DNA. Most meztizos and multiracial people have more percentage of one specific race. That's the case of Costa Rica , Chile or the USA . They are overwhelmingly multiracials (the USA in particular ) but over all the European DNA still predominates .
2) the only way to prove this DNA stats is by (observing) how the avarage person looks like in each country (through tv , soccer games , strikes, local TV programs , local movies , concerts , big gatherings ).
3) thanks to some major tv networks in the Americas and Europe we know how the avarage person looks like in countries like USA , Mexico , Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, Brazil or Argentina . So those stats are not too wrong after all.
In the Caribbean the European genes dominate in Cuba and Puerto Rico, with DR they are like 55-60%. Maybe two or three more islands. Everywhere else the African genes predominate by over 80-90%, in some islands the average person is over 90% African.
The majority of the Caribbean population speaks Spanish as a mother tongue, but they are an overwhelming majority in two islands plus 2/3 of another islands, and most are overwhelmingly of European descent. In most islands people speak French or French Creole or English or English Creole, and they are overwhelmingly of African descent.
Then there is Florida which is overwhelmingly of European descent. In some areas many people are black/white mixes or mostly of African descent, but those areas are a minority of areas and people. Most places European ancestry dominates in the average person.
I can’t speak of Alabama because I haven’t been there and even if I was, most likely it would be one city and its suburbs.
1) going back to the original question the southern cone was/is/ the most prosperous region in Latin America but I will not discredit other Latin countries . After all I am a (pro Hispanic unification ) Argentina nor Chile are first world , no country in the Americas is 100% white , according to stats uruguay is the whitest country in the continent YET , Uruguay has the most prominent black population among the (southern cone )countries (10% of its population around 300.000 people) , not even Argentina has that amount and Paraguay practically with non. Southern Brazil If counted as a single nation would have 5% (around 1 million of afrodescendants ).
2) I want to clarify and remind everyone that the term (southern cone ) DOES NOT have ANY official status of anything . It's merely a (geographical ) region. Southern cone is that triangle shape of the southern area of south America . And the countries and regions almost completely in it are only Argentina, Chile , Uruguay, Paraguay , Parana ,Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul . However they DO have common traits culturally and racially but at the end of the day , this is (Latin America )
Grabandgo, I'm wondering, first of all: How do the crime trends in Argentina and Uruguay over the past 15 or so years compare to those of New York City in the 1960s-1980s (especially in the 1970s, when muggings were a fact of life even for the better-off of that city and when that city was on the verge of economic collapse)? How do the recent crime trends in Argentina and Uruguay compare to present-day Detroit, the South Side of Chicago, etc.?
Also, at this time, Uruguay has much lower inflation (just under 10%) than Argentina (over 50%), as pointed out in this link, but it's still ahead of all but 25 countries.
However, I do see here, here, and here that Uruguay does have a slightly higher murder rate than Argentina. One caveat of relying on murder rates to gauge the amount of criminality in a country (especially targeting innocent individuals), however, is that many murders take place amidst gang or drug activity, whereas robberies, muggings, etc. (which innocent individuals are the most vulnerable to) don't by any means always end up in murder or even violence. Having said that, it is paradoxical that Uruguay has the higher murder rate, as it's not only perceived as the better-off country socially and politically if not economically, but also that it's at least perceived as less corrupt than most if not all other Latin countries (including Argentina), as evidenced here and especially (with regard to perceptions of police corruption) here, putting Uruguay in line with perhaps the bottom tier of developed countries.
I'm wondering if people in Uruguay, as well as Argentina and elsewhere, would launch a social media movement to curb those disturbing regional trends in crime, the way that high school students in general reacted to the Parkland school shooting in Florida last year or in the way that that Swedish girl has been willing to skip school to protest world inaction to stop climate change?! Or at least to put pressure on the police and the government to reduce crime, the way that Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York City did after 1990 to sharply reduce crime in his city?! Maybe in the interim, besides the heavy physical security measures like multiple locks and iron gates and bars in the windows, Uruguayans and other Latin Americans could set up block watch areas if they haven't already done so?! All of this so that Uruguay's and Argentina's reputation as lower-crime countries becomes well deserved and so that they don't become another Brazil, South Africa, Venezuela, etc.!!!!!
first all those links and statistic are old, in 2018 Uruguay had a terrible crime/murder rate, no one has updated those wikipedia articles since 2015-16. get more recent data, you will see how bad it is.
Argentina economically is in dire straits nowadays. A lot of people don't have food, jobs and income are scarce, violent crime has been on the rise the past few years. Probably need to exclude Argentina from "prosperous southern cone" anymore.
first all those links and statistic are old, in 2018 Uruguay had a terrible crime/murder rate, no one has updated those wikipedia articles since 2015-16. get more recent data, you will see how bad it is.
Not all the links I sent you last week are old. The inflation stats and the corruption perception indices I sent you are from at most a year ago. The murder/crime rates, though, are indeed from longer ago than that.
Please tell me also, Grabandgo, how the crime trends in Argentina and Uruguay compare with New York in the 1970s, as I indicated to you in more detail last week. I would much appreciate it.
Also, when will there be serious citizen activism against the terrible crime trend there, as I also indicated to you last week???
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