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Old 05-03-2019, 01:21 PM
 
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the most succesful countries in the last 25 years in LatAm are Chile, Peru, Panama, the DR, all of them having in common being far away from lefty economics.

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Yes those countries have been right wing countries for a long time and yet NONE of them are developed 1st world countries.
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Old 05-03-2019, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Who knows more about what’s going on in Venezuela - people who live there or people outside of the country?
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Old 05-03-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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Yes those countries have been right wing countries for a long time and yet NONE of them are developed 1st world countries.
Are there Venezuelan solidarity demonstrations going on in Canada?
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Old 05-03-2019, 05:26 PM
 
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Yes those countries have been right wing countries for a long time and yet NONE of them are developed 1st world countries.
Chile and Panama are at least on the right track.
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Old 05-03-2019, 05:34 PM
 
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And yet most Latin Americas are right wing and conservative. The proof is in the pudding.

yes, because LatAm turned to the right after seeing how lefty economic policies lead to nothing. Sound economic policies and liberalism aren't mutually exclusive, Colombia being somewhat a good example of that (lgbt marriage and adoption legal, euthanasia legal, drug laws are somewhat liberal, etc, while in Socialist Venezuela or Ecuador, Correa or Chávez were declared homophobes).

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Yes those countries have been right wing countries for a long time and yet NONE of them are developed 1st world countries.
no, they embraced competitiveness and free market in recent years, and they are developing very fast. Singapore, Taiwan and Malaysia first, followed by Thailand or Vietnam in recent years.
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Old 05-03-2019, 07:17 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I doubt any South American regime would approve of a full scale invasion. It would be nice for Maduro to step down since he's useless, but I don't see that happening.

Unfortunately, the left has decided to side with him even though it's clear that he's flat out incompetent. As long as you profess to stand up to the US, the left has your back.

Sanctions are also detrimental as they embolden him, even though he's essentially used that money for his own personal gain.
The American Left has largely adopted a mantra that anyone who opposes Trump or who Trump opposes is automatically 'good'.

Sanctions are meaningless as China, Russia, and Cuba will just ignore them.

Now I am vocally NeverTrump ... the difference is that I do so from the center-right. I oppose Trump, and I also oppose Maduro. I will never make excuses for a dictator ... ever. There are lines I will not cross regardless of my ideology.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:13 PM
 
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yes, because LatAm turned to the right after seeing how lefty economic policies lead to nothing. .
Is that why waaaay after the cold war people voted for Chavez, Lula, Correa, Evo Morales, Mujica etc etc? What Latin American countries had leftist governments before and during the cold war?
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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If Guiado were locked up, would that bring peace to Venezuela?
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:08 AM
 
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Is that why waaaay after the cold war people voted for Chavez, Lula, Correa, Evo Morales, Mujica etc etc? What Latin American countries had leftist governments before and during the cold war?
Canadians have had soft spots for lefties since the days of Pierre Trudeau.
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:53 AM
 
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Is that why waaaay after the cold war people voted for Chavez, Lula, Correa, Evo Morales, Mujica etc etc? What Latin American countries had leftist governments before and during the cold war?

because, as I said, the level of education among Latin Americans is quite poor. There's poor knowledge of basic economy concepts and how the global economy has been developing in the last decades; there's a lot of "caudillismo" (the idea that some hero is gonna fix it all and defeat the evil, imperialists and oligarchs), and there's the victim complex which is pretty common among us.

the economic policies that the Latin American left stand for, even today (import substitution industrialization, getting into debts beyond any limits, etc), were the cause of the worst economic crisis in the region in decades, the Latin American debt crisis, or "La década perdida".
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