Why didn't Mexico try to take back the lands that the Americans stole from them? (country, jobs)
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Yah, that Vespucci must have had one hell of a PR guy..
You're not wrong.. I think about how (Amerigo) Vespucci who has been largely forgotten (or overlooked) has left behind such a powerful name legacy.
Vespucci's letters were a lot more well known (& provocative) than Columbus', so at the time it made sense that a mapmaker would name the New World after Amerigo Vespucci, rather than (the more pioneering) Columbus.
But Columbus did get Colombia
You're not wrong.. I think about how (Amerigo) Vespucci who has been largely forgotten (or overlooked) has left behind such a powerful name legacy.
Thank you. I had totally forgotten that.
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Originally Posted by Babe_Ruth
Vespucci's letters were a lot more well known (& provocative) than Columbus', so at the time it made sense that a mapmaker would name the New World after Amerigo Vespucci, rather than (the more pioneering) Columbus.
Everything in life goes in circles. Italians should stick with Columbus.
For centuries after the discovery his name became lost in time, with very few people knowing the role he played that lead to the creation of everyone alive today in the Americas, except full blooded indians (who are few relatively to everyone else and almost exclusively in Latin America). Even most people protesting today against him in the Americas owe their existance to that moment on October 12, 1492. Some might say if he didn't do it, somebody else would have and that's true. But, its almost a guarantee that you wouldn't be alive today and neither are your siblings, your parents, your grandparents, and many people that were alive before them. Everything needed to happen exactly at the moment that it did, exactly how it did, and exactly with the people that did at that time and afterwards leading up to your day of birth. There's no way around that.
He remained basically unknown for centuries and then his image had a renaissance. Now its on the downward spiral, but soon again (could be a decade or two) his image will recuperate itself going up that circle. Everything in life is like that.
Look at the preferences of where people live in the United States. During the 20th century it started with the vibrancy of cities as people poured into them. Mid-century their children grew up in cities and wanted something new, but with the positive qualities of rural settings and the convenience of urban settings. The age of the suburbs was born. Oh, that there were no suburbs? No problem, the children turn adults simply built new ones from scratch. They also had kids and they grew up in those suburbs, but like their parents who grew tired of their urban childhood, they too grew tired of the suburbs. Hence, cities became the place to be again. Now things are beginning to change... again.
Give it time. I assume you're young, you'll literally see what I mean. Columbus will be in peoples minds as long as The Americas exist, because for better or worse, the current existance of every modern person and society in The Americas starts on October 12, 1492; and that will also be the case of the Americans to be born in the future from Canada down to Argentina. A person may feel good, bad or indifferent about him; but, there is simply no way around that.
Thank you. I had totally forgotten that. (Re: Vespucci)
Do tell more. I'm interested.
Columbus gets to the New World roughly a decade before Amerigo Vespucci. But news travels erratically, so Vespucci's descriptive exploration letters surpass Columbus' in exposure and popularity. German mapmaker who is familiar with Vespucci's letters basically gives Amerigo the honor of the New World namesake. The mapmaker decides to use a feminine version of Amerigo, 'America' bcuz other continents use feminized names. I notice this was often done w/Columbus' name too, 'Columbia', 'Colombia' etc.
I hope this Cliff Notes version helps, I dig this history.
Columbus gets to the New World roughly a decade before Amerigo Vespucci. But news travels erratically, so Vespucci's descriptive exploration letters surpass Columbus' in exposure and popularity. German mapmaker who is familiar with Vespucci's letters basically gives Amerigo the honor of the New World namesake. The mapmaker decides to use a feminine version of Amerigo, 'America' bcuz other continents use feminized names. I notice this was often done w/Columbus' name too, 'Columbia', 'Colombia' etc.
I hope this Cliff Notes version helps, I dig this history.
In Spanish the last name is Colón (a very popular last name, I would be surprised if there is a Spanish speaking country without someone with that last name) and its the same in either gender, although last names don't have genders in the Spanish language. Colombia (Columbia) and Tierra de Colón (Land of Columbus) are two ways of saying the same thing.
Just for the record, anyone that calls Colombia as Columbia will get an earful about the U from some Colombians, even if its the correct way of saying it in English. Its Colombia and that's it. lol
In the USA there are many reminders of Columbus in the name of certain places. The two most well known is probably Columbus, Ohio and Washington, DC (District of Columbia). There's a coastal city in Panama named Colón.
Columbus gets to the New World roughly a decade before Amerigo Vespucci. But news travels erratically, so Vespucci's descriptive exploration letters surpass Columbus' in exposure and popularity. German mapmaker who is familiar with Vespucci's letters basically gives Amerigo the honor of the New World namesake. The mapmaker decides to use a feminine version of Amerigo, 'America' bcuz other continents use feminized names. I notice this was often done w/Columbus' name too, 'Columbia', 'Colombia' etc.
I hope this Cliff Notes version helps, I dig this history.
Thanks. I will try to rep. Edit: I couldn't rep but thanks again.
"Steal our money?" Did anyone put a gun to your head and forced you to gamble your money at a casino? Inquiring minds want to know. Lol
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