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Originally Posted by ainsley1999
I’m so happy for Lula’s victory.
One of my best friends lives in Rio, she’s been so worried about the possible coup the Brazilian Trump would pull if he were to lose. She told me the police actually stopped cars and buses on the road to prevent them from voting for Lula in the regions Lula would get more votes…..She said just like the US this will not be the end of the movement but at least it’s a positive thing for many Brazilians who have been suffering under Bolsonaro’ a ruling.
People here are relieved.....the progressive people at least. He was a cancer.
They indeed did block buses and cars in the Nordeste. Their attempts almost worked...it was around a 2 million vote gap but 5.7 million were null.
Am I the only one surprised with how many Brazilians voted for Bolsonaro? Based on the impresssion in this forum, I expected a lot less. He basically got half of the votes and loss by an extremely small margin. Is he actually more popular among Brazilians than it seems?
I'm also surprised that the states of São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro voted for Bolsonaro, especially Rio de Janeiro. Even the capital voted for Bolsonaro. Most of the Brazilians I have met outside of Brazil are from Minas Gerais and that state actually voted for Lula.
Does Brazil have a bicameral congress? If so, how does the Lula's and Bolsonaro's parties relate in terms of percentages of seats? If it happens that Bolsonaro's party has a greater weight, does this poses a challenge for Lula getting anything approved by congress?
All I can say is Bolsonaro is a **** and good riddance!
I hope the new left rising in Latin America is more moderate though.
Unlike many leftists rising to power in Latin America, Lula has a track record of what is like for him to rule. He may do all sorts of things to Brazil, but degrading the place like Maduro did to Venezuela is not one of them.
North and Northeast always destroying the country. The poorest regions of the country support Lula. They are poor due the corruption and only choose corrupt politicians. I don't generalize all north and northeast Brazilians but such stupid region.
PT ruled the country for 16 years. And for 16 years northeast Brazil states are the last places in human development. I support separation. They should let the South, Southeast, and Midwest create a country. And the North and Northeast ruled by Lula and living in poverty.
Why would those small northern states vote for Bolsonaro?
the region have a huge porcentage of evangelicals. A lot of evangelicals support Bolsonaro.
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Originally Posted by As Above So Below...
What is different is that the major cities in Brazil are conservative. Its the places in the Northeast of the country that is Lula's base. Sao Paulo, Rio, and Porto Alegre all went Bolsonaro. I think Belo split. In the US its the major cities that are liberal.
I feel bad for Brazil. Their two options were a fascist and a leftist. How much worse could it get?
Lula is popular because uses poverty to stay in power. Lula offer 116 dollars and more 11 dollars for children up to 6 years ( of social benefit) The northeast are the poorest region of Brazil. A lot of the population survive by social benefits. For this reason he is so popular in the poorest regions. A lot of the citizens are accommodated with social assistance.
Brazil is contrary to the US. The metropolitan areas in the US opt for the progressive candidate (although it could be argued Lula isn't really progressive) and it's the more disenfranchised rural areas that vote for the likes of Trump.
I think on the whole the international community is happy to see the back of Bolsonaro, including Europe and the rest of Latin America.
Am I the only one surprised with how many Brazilians voted for Bolsonaro? Based on the impresssion in this forum, I expected a lot less. He basically got half of the votes and loss by an extremely small margin. Is he actually more popular among Brazilians than it seems?
I'm also surprised that the states of São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro voted for Bolsonaro, especially Rio de Janeiro. Even the capital voted for Bolsonaro. Most of the Brazilians I have met outside of Brazil are from Minas Gerais and that state actually voted for Lula.
Does Brazil have a bicameral congress? If so, how does the Lula's and Bolsonaro's parties relate in terms of percentages of seats? If it happens that Bolsonaro's party has a greater weight, does this poses a challenge for Lula getting anything approved by congress?
Brazil has tons of parties, all presidents have to negotiate.
The vast majority who voted for Bolsonaro simply because they didn't want Lula.
A lot of people hate the PT (work party) whoever the candidate is because PT is of unionist origin, and many others because of the PT corruption cases I mentioned about Lula.
And the same with Lula, the vast majority who voted for him (like me) because they thought it was more important to remove Bolsonaro from power, even if we didn't forgive Lula's failures.
Especially having someone like Geraldo Alckmim as vice president, who was governor of Sao Paulo for 16 years and is effectively taking the reins of government, as was promised, already now leading the transition government.
We hope that at some point, with so much exposure, he will take over the government in the next elections. Brazil is very big and diverse country, very difficult for politicians to get national projection.
Really only Lula could defeat Bolsonaro at the moment (he was the first president to fail to be reelected in the history of Brazil) and even then we were lucky because it was for tight 2,1 millions votes.
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