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Old 03-13-2023, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Somewhere on the Moon.
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When most of your tourism is domestic, as is the case with Brazil, international tourism can wait when it comes to this. Case in point, tiny Dominican Republic received more international tourists in 2022 than gigantic Brazil. While international tourism is very important for the DR, not so much for Brazil while tourism is an important sector to the Brazilian economy.

What percentage of tourists source does the US have for Brazil? It can't be much if the Brazilian government decided to put a visa requirement to the US. With that said, anyone that truly wants to go to Brazil will get the visa. Those that don't are making it very clear with their actions that Brazil wasn't a very important place for them to visit, even if they say it is. Actions speak louder than words.
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Old 03-13-2023, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Last I checked, Brazil has never been a rich country, though there are areas of Brazil that are wealthy at least by the developing world standard.

There are other countries where visas aren't required for a visit. For example, people from Colombia don't need a visa to visit the Europen Union and Colombia is even poorer than Brazil.

Speaking of Europeans, I think they can enter Brazil visa-free, but Brazilians can enter Europe visa-free too. Much of Europe is some of the richest and most developed parts of the world.
The EU has a more lax visa free regime. Only citizens from developed countries are allowed to enter the US without a visa because they know many Latin Americans would swarm in and not leave.
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Old 03-13-2023, 11:46 AM
 
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The EU has a more lax visa free regime. Only citizens from developed countries are allowed to enter the US without a visa because they know many Latin Americans would swarm in and not leave.
Countries like Chile (which is Latin American), Brunei, Estonia, Latvia, and a few others aren't developed and are on the visa waiver list to enter the USA.

In a way it's criticizable for the USA to require visas to citizens of certain countries under the premise "they will stay" when Europe allows them visa-free. Many Latin Americans don't even need to speak another language (Spanish speakers in Spain, Portuguese speakers in Portugal.)
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Old 03-14-2023, 01:07 AM
 
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Countries like Chile (which is Latin American), Brunei, Estonia, Latvia, and a few others aren't developed and are on the visa waiver list to enter the USA.
Chile and Brunei are borderline developed. Baltic states are developed countries. Brazil isn't.

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In a way it's criticizable for the USA to require visas to citizens of certain countries under the premise "they will stay" when Europe allows them visa-free. Many Latin Americans don't even need to speak another language (Spanish speakers in Spain, Portuguese speakers in Portugal.)
Because it's a lot harder for Latin Americans to travel to Europe than to America. Russia and Turkey are on the same level as Latin American countries, but Russians and Turks need a visa to travel to the Schengen area because Europeans know they would all flood into Europe otherwise.
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Old 03-14-2023, 07:21 AM
 
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Chile and Brunei are borderline developed. Baltic states are developed countries. Brazil isn't.

Because it's a lot harder for Latin Americans to travel to Europe than to America. Russia and Turkey are on the same level as Latin American countries, but Russians and Turks need a visa to travel to the Schengen area because Europeans know they would all flood into Europe otherwise.
Lol no, for most South Americans, emigrating to Spain/Portugal is much easier than to the USA, regardless of the visa requirements. Unless you come from Mexico, Central America or the Caribbean, it’s not like the USA is next door.

By the way, Chile isn’t borderline developed. Is it in better shape than Brazil? Sure. In much better shape? Definitely no.
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Old 03-14-2023, 07:53 AM
 
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Chile and Brunei are borderline developed.
No one can get a little bit pregnant.

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Baltic states are developed countries. Brazil isn't.
Confused those countries with Balkans ones.


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Because it's a lot harder for Latin Americans to travel to Europe than to America. Russia and Turkey are on the same level as Latin American countries, but Russians and Turks need a visa to travel to the Schengen area because Europeans know they would all flood into Europe otherwise.
Albania, Bosnia and Hezergovina, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Serbia, Ukraine are all in Europe but not part of the EU and aren't developed, yet they have the option to enter the EU without the Shengen visa.
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Old 03-15-2023, 12:16 AM
 
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I think it’s a misguided move. It would have been better for Brazil to focus on marketing its tourism to a wider audience in order to convince more people to come and visit, if there is a deficiency from the aforementioned countries. There’s plenty of stuff to see and do in Brazil.
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Old 03-15-2023, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Miami (prev. NY, Atlanta, SF, OC and San Diego)
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Official. Visa requirement will take effect October 1:

https://www.gov.br/mre/en/contact-us...-united-states

I’m heading to Brazil next week, well before this policy goes into effect.

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Old 03-15-2023, 07:56 AM
 
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Yes, but I have a hunch you will go back to Brazil before and after that date.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:14 PM
 
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Chile and Brunei are borderline developed. Baltic states are developed countries. Brazil isn't.


Because it's a lot harder for Latin Americans to travel to Europe than to America. Russia and Turkey are on the same level as Latin American countries, but Russians and Turks need a visa to travel to the Schengen area because Europeans know they would all flood into Europe otherwise.
For Brazilians and all South Americans, getting to USA or Europe take the same 9,10, 12 hour flying. There are no land roads between south, central and north america.

Brazilians find it easier to immigrate to Europe legally because a large part of the population has some recent ancestor from Europe, allowing citizenship, making it possible to bring a wife or husband who does not have UE citizenship to UE.
Portugal allows any Brazilian to arrive in Portugal and look for a job for 6 months, if he succeeds, he receives residency and in a few years citizenship.
Spain allows any Brazilians legally living there for only 2 years citizenship. Italy allows Brazilians who have at least one Italian ancestor to go directly to their ancestor's region apply and receive Italian citizenship in a few months.
Southern European countries have an aging population and many of the few young people immigrate to northern countries in their working years. So they facilitate the entry of South Americans of similar culture and language.
Brazilians who take an english course in Ireland allowed to work too and after at least 1 year apply for residency.
So Brazilians who want to immigrate to Europe have several possibilities to do so legally, even if they don't want to stay in southern Europe, they spend a few years there to receive citizenship and be able to move freely. Probably because of this visa is not even required.
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