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Old 02-03-2024, 07:52 AM
 
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This seems to be about right and the two seem to be on different trajectories. I do think that Argentina, largely by dint of being a much more populous country, probably has a lot more internal variation.
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Old 02-03-2024, 09:39 AM
 
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This seems to be about right and the two seem to be on different trajectories. I do think that Argentina, largely by dint of being a much more populous country, probably has a lot more internal variation.
Argentina is highly concentrated in the Buenos Aires Metro Area and a handful other cities. When it comes to such a high concentration as that, it doesn't matter if much of the country goes one way when the two or three cities where most of the population lives goes the opposite way. This can be applied to anything. The country average will not always be the average you will see in most places, just where most people live which is a small fraction of the land area.
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Old 02-03-2024, 03:26 PM
 
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Argentina is highly concentrated in the Buenos Aires Metro Area and a handful other cities. When it comes to such a high concentration as that, it doesn't matter if much of the country goes one way when the two or three cities where most of the population lives goes the opposite way. This can be applied to anything. The country average will not always be the average you will see in most places, just where most people live which is a small fraction of the land area.

Right, both of these countries have capital cities that are by far the most populous in the country. Chile has a similar proportion of its population concentrated in and around Santiago with about 7 million out of 19 million. Buenos Aires's is about 17 million out of 47 million, so the proportion is similar, but that 30 million people outside of the Buenos Aires metropolitan region is significantly more people than there is in all of Chile, so I think there's a good reason to expect that there's a much wider variation overall.

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Old 02-08-2024, 07:56 AM
 
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And Uruguay is more secular than Argentina and Chile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Uruguay
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Old 03-08-2024, 05:31 AM
 
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And Uruguay is more secular than Argentina and Chile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Uruguay
Indeed it is, but Argentina used to be the second most liberal. After traveling to both Chile and Argentina recently though, I noticed that Chileans are becoming more liberal and less religious than Argentinians. New data coming up also seems to be confirming this trend. in Chile almost 40% is irreligious now, while in Argentina only 20-25%. Argentina approved legal abortion, but Chile has a higher support rate for legal abortion. Both of them seem to be tied in acceptance of gay marriage, but some recent surveys from Cadem and Ipsos seem to suggest that Chile may surpass Argentina in LGBT acceptance soon.
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Old 03-08-2024, 08:46 AM
 
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Secular or not, I really hope this isnane obsession with gender identity and woke garbage doesn't catch on anywhere in Latin America. keep that trend/madness in North America and Europe.

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Old 03-08-2024, 09:12 AM
 
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it is catching on. Especially in public universities, but also in other scenarios. Several of my former male teachers at National university of Colombia were "cancelled" for a number of reasons in the past years.
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Old 03-08-2024, 10:21 AM
 
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Indeed it is, but Argentina used to be the second most liberal. After traveling to both Chile and Argentina recently though, I noticed that Chileans are becoming more liberal and less religious than Argentinians. New data coming up also seems to be confirming this trend. in Chile almost 40% is irreligious now, while in Argentina only 20-25%. Argentina approved legal abortion, but Chile has a higher support rate for legal abortion. Both of them seem to be tied in acceptance of gay marriage, but some recent surveys from Cadem and Ipsos seem to suggest that Chile may surpass Argentina in LGBT acceptance soon.
One reason that Chile has changed is a major scandal involving the Catholic Church.
https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatic...e-scandal-dies
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Old 03-08-2024, 11:46 AM
 
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To think that I know some people that choose to be non-believers because it gives them the ability to abuse without feeling they are accountable. I always laugh when some people claim that a lack of belief doesn’t causes people to be more abusive. Then they always cite societies that are better educated as proof a higher level of athiesm and agnosticism doesn’t increase abuse. Those are the very same societies where they choose not to be as corrupt. All societies aren’t the same. In sone you cross a street and cars actually stop to let you cross in peace, in others you cross a street and cars will run you over if you don’t hurry up.

It will be interesting to see how this change changes other aspects of Chile.
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Old 03-10-2024, 06:18 PM
 
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To think that I know some people that choose to be non-believers because it gives them the ability to abuse without feeling they are accountable. I always laugh when some people claim that a lack of belief doesn’t causes people to be more abusive.
That doesn't make any sense. Gods doesn't exist, you are accountable for your actions, for many other reasons.
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