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Old 12-29-2010, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I love hearing these messages from people who don't live here. To get the full impact (including the negatives) of a public official holding office in a certain state, you really have to live here. Otherwise, you are just buying what the media sells you about one or two issues.
Okay, I don't live there.

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Interesting point, sh,

On the flip side . . . our economy could very well have slumped even further into the toilet WITHOUT SB1070. Bottom line: compared to other states with similar illegal immigration problems and NO SB1070, we are far better off.
I honestly don't see how Arizona is fairing better than pretty much any state, let alone one with similar immigration problems. If this bill wasn't signed Arizona would be in the same place it is now.

Your governor signing this was a PR move.
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Old 12-29-2010, 10:31 AM
 
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It is sad that the needy in Arizona are suffering do to a shortage of funds. I fear that transplants will soon become a thing of the past for many people. The money just isn't there. Maybe if we weren't taking care of 12 million or more illegal immigrants in this country we would be better able to serve our citizens.

Thank you Jan and to those courageous citizens of Arizona that are willing to take a stand.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Camphost in Durand, IL
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Cutting state services is a reality for many states. Here in Illinois they don't cut anything, they prefer going deeper into debt. Maybe the solution for those in need of transplants in AZ is just go to IL. While you're there pick up some $25 license plates, a free ride on the bus, healthcare (depending on who you are course), your utility bills paid in the winter. It's only taxpayer money, what the heck.

If I was in need, I'd rather put my fate in the hands of the American citizens over any government any day. This is a very generous country but if you let state and Fed government pick your pockets, what you will be left with won't be enough to by you lunch or replace your liver.
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Old 12-29-2010, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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It is sad that the needy in Arizona are suffering do to a shortage of funds. I fear that transplants will soon become a thing of the past for many people. The money just isn't there. Maybe if we weren't taking care of 12 million or more illegal immigrants in this country we would be better able to serve our citizens.

Thank you Jan and to those courageous citizens of Arizona that are willing to take a stand.
I could not agree more, Isitme.

CRINGE is the only word that describes my reaction when I hear the Illegal Lovers claim . . . "they only come here for a better life".

That "better life" costs Legal Citizens MILLIONS annually.
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Maryland: Baltimore and Somerset Counties
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Thank you queen Jan for slashing AHCCCS coverage to the truly needy and life-saving transplants to the truly sick.

I'm sure the less-fortunate people of Arizona are praising her for 1070 passage while they suffer with substantially reduced healthcare coverage.
Can't be perfect. I said I was thankful for what she did on illegal immigration- not this topic. Since you've brought up this red herring I might remind you that the money we are spending on aliens in illegal-friendly states is killing plenty of people indirectly, so you have no point.
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Maryland: Baltimore and Somerset Counties
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Okay, I don't live there.



I honestly don't see how Arizona is fairing better than pretty much any state, let alone one with similar immigration problems. If this bill wasn't signed Arizona would be in the same place it is now.

Your governor signing this was a PR move.

It got the debate started, which is more than I can say for officials in my state who just want to keep it quiet so the nonsense goes unnoticed and/or give IN-STATE TUITION to illegals (they are doing that here in Maryland)
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Maryland: Baltimore and Somerset Counties
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It is sad that the needy in Arizona are suffering do to a shortage of funds. I fear that transplants will soon become a thing of the past for many people. The money just isn't there. Maybe if we weren't taking care of 12 million or more illegal immigrants in this country we would be better able to serve our citizens.

Thank you Jan and to those courageous citizens of Arizona that are willing to take a stand.
Couldn't have said it better!
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Old 01-02-2011, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Aiken, South Carolina, US of A
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Since I was born and raised in AZ, I will say something.
This illegal immigrant thing was always around, always, the farmers used them
as slaves when I was a kid, they aren't treated much better now.
The politicans never did anything because the agricultural industry needed them
now and back then, always. After all, money is everything right?
Now, all of a sudden in 2010, AZ govenor signs that stupid bill.
After how many years? Talk about grandstanding.
And do you know what? There's money in it somewhere. Trust me.
I smell a money benefit to her somehow, because the agricultural industry
will be upset if there are no illegals to pick the oranges.
Oh, and by the way, the Indians want you all to move the hell out.
You are all illegal as far as they are concerned.
So let them have their "reserved" land in Glendale for the stupid casino, it's all theirs
in their eyes.
Please people, don't believe everything you hear and see, you are being manipulated.
That is how we are in this big, stupid financial mess to begin with.
Nuf said.
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