Limit number of rounds in a gun; but not limit drinks in a bar? (Tucson: crime, to buy)

[Hunter Wold]

Ok, so now Legislation is coming up again to limit the number of rounds you can have in a gun and this is suppossed to stop mass killings.

But, go into some bar's and see how many drinks people and then drive intoxicated

If the number of alcoholic drinks a person is served would this help stem the number of alcohol related traffic accidents which resulted in injury or death to an innocent person

Maybe the day will come when you have to have a "card" that is swiped to allow you to purchase,consume alcohol and after it's swiped so many times in a 24 hours period then no more purchase

Anyway; there are, well, lot's of folks that have extended mag's for their weapons and are not causing problems.

AND and the person that want's an extended mag will get one anyway.

When guns are banned only criminals will have them

HW..

[observer53]

Originally Posted by Hunter Wold

Ok, so now Legislation is coming up again to limit the number of rounds you can have in a gun and this is suppossed to stop mass killings.


Anyway; there are, well, lot's of folks that have extended mag's for their weapons and are not causing problems.

AND and the person that want's an extended mag will get one anyway.

When guns are banned only criminals will have them

HW..

That may be true, but they don't HAVE to have them, and sometimes laws have to impact law-abiding people, too.

Yes, someone could still find a way to get one, but making it more complicated is not a problem for me.

I don't think you can compare the extended magazine and the number of drinks you can get in a bar. Right now there's no liability for selling an extended magazine. There is for selling someone drinks when you can see they've had enough.

[Zonie5]

same rationale i posted when "no smoking" started in Flag a few years back . i couldn't smoke in the restaurant but they would serve me endless pitchers of margaritas .

[Hunter Wold]

Originally Posted by Zonie5

same rationale i posted when "no smoking" started in Flag a few years back . i couldn't smoke in the restaurant but they would serve me endless pitchers of margaritas .

Go figure.

[Irish4evr]

What lawful purpose would any individual "civilian" find the need to own an extended magazine...30 round magazines are designed with only one purpose and intent....

I'm sure I will hear from "sport" shooters as that might be the only valid reason.....

I fully support our 2nd Amendment rights, however, all one reasonable, thinking person has to do is attend a local gun show....observe the wide variety of characters walking out the doors with extended magazines, massive amounts of ammunition....semi-automatic weapons...(long and hand)....it is scary....!

I would be very interested to hear responses from those readers that feel they can justify the lawful need to own an extended mag....Save the "it's my right" line.....and if you claim personal protection....might I suggest you spend a little more time at the range....If it takes 31 rounds to neutralize your target...you need it........Hunting...not hardly !

I guess if I owned a gun store and some 22 year old kid walked thru the door requesting to buy a 9mm Glock complete with 30 round clips....I'd have to exercise my right of refusal....or ask to see his badge.......

[henry1]

Do not take this as a flame or meant to be a way of saying something .what happened in Tucson was downright wrong and it should not been blamed on a fact that someone used a socalled extended magazine to do harm to someone ..a pistol is just a tool in one life for good or bad it the end user of the pistol or weapon who makes it bad as a image that we see on the tv

the signs of his problems where there for a long time before this happened and the like the others who have done this type of act they where not stopped before the act .basically because of the public in general not wanting to get involved in someone life and stoping them before hand instead of letting them comment the sense acts they do

there signs where out in the open and someone should notice them and got the person the help that they need but they did not why you asked because in this day and age it not thought of to go and get the person help that they are needing in one life ..


it like this when i lay my pistol on the table can it get up and bite you no it just a object that can be used for good or bad and yes there some people out there who abuse the system that we have in place for our freedoms that we as a Americans enjoy in this country of ours ..

but to put the blame on a gun and a extended magazine make no sense when the family and the friends stand by and do nothing intill something happens ..

if you must blame someone blame them no the gun and the extended magazine ..

[ji603]

Originally Posted by Irish4evr

What lawful purpose would any individual "civilian" find the need to own an extended magazine...30 round magazines are designed with only one purpose and intent....

I fully support our 2nd Amendment rights, however, all one reasonable, thinking person has to do is attend a local gun show....observe the wide variety of characters walking out the doors with extended magazines, massive amounts of ammunition....semi-automatic weapons...(long and hand)....it is scary....!

I don't understand such a statement, that someone 'fully' supports the 2nd amendment, if it's then qualified by saying that 'a wide variety of characters walking out the door with massive amounts of ammunition is scary' and 'what lawful purpose would one have to own an extended magazine?' Either you support the 2nd, or you favor limits on gun ownership, registration laws, or egregious ammunition taxes - all imposed with the intent of disarming the masses.

At the risk of turning this into a political discussion, which should be in a different forum, I'd point you to the most important clause of the 2nd amendment; "shall not be infringed" and leave it at that.

By the same token, why then should we be allowed to buy a car that goes faster than 65mph? What 'lawful purpose' is there?

[AzScorpion12]

Putting a ban on Mag capacity doesn't work.We have that here in Ma. and unless they're pre ban mags ( before '94 ) we're limited to 10 rounds.There's no way you'll keep them out of the wrong hands anyways.You can always alter most 10 round mags by taking them apart and just drilling out the pin.A bad guy will always find away around this and this only punishes us law abiding citizens.This is just another never ending argument because some INSANE person used a gun,if he'd used a car should we now consider banning all cars?

[JAinAZ]

Right on Gixxer, and if he used a hammer, would we ban hammers? Before someone says "well he would not have killed and injured so many with a hammer", let me ammend that. If he used a chainsaw, would we ban all chainsaws? If we put a limit on mag capacity or ban guns outright, and lets say by some miracle criminals or the insane can't get their hands on a gun, they will use something else. People were killing other people on a large scale long before guns were invented.

[keninaz]

For those that don't know or are unaware, Congress passed a law many years ago banning large magazines from weapons.
The law was considered not to be effective and was not continued.
It's too easy to just change the magazine in a weapon and the law had very little effect on crime so it was dropped.