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Old 10-20-2014, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix, AZ USA
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This thread needs to stay on the topic of the OP, with a local (state) focus. Posts outside the topic will be deleted. Also, and more importantly, keep the discussion civil, within the TOS.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Avondale and Tempe, Arizona
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It's more than you think and more than the study you posted. I feel its closer to 7% to 10%

I grew up in a small farming community. There were typically anywhere from 70 to 100 in our school who graduated every year. Being that we lived in such a small town one really got to know all his class mates and the ones a year infront and behind. I had 76 in my class and I know of 6 of in class that were gay, 4 guys and two girls, and it is very possible there could be one or two more that are gay and still in the closet. My sister is one year younger and Had 98 in her class, we know of 7 in her class. The class before me had around 85 and we know of 9 of them that are gay.

Take it for whats its worth, I'm sure you will not agree with me.
I'm pretty certain the percentage is higher too.

In a lot of cases it's hard to tell a GLBT person from a straight person, and a fair share of them still may not truthfully identify themselves as such.

I consider the ruling a huge victory not only for Arizona and the other states but for civil rights as a whole.

Contrary to what the religious zealots and bigots claim this is a civil rights issue.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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I used to live in Benson Arizona, so I was surprised to see it so late having same-sex marriage. I never really thought of Arizona as being backwards and regressive until recently. It now seems like it belongs more in the Bible belt than the Sunbelt.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Telecommutes from Northern AZ
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Just an FYI, the state voters did not change their opinion, the activist 9th court changed the law. Opinions remain the same, good or bad.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Phoenix Arizona
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I used to live in Benson Arizona, so I was surprised to see it so late having same-sex marriage. I never really thought of Arizona as being backwards and regressive until recently. It now seems like it belongs more in the Bible belt than the Sunbelt.
Gosh, I guess you're totally right. Also, I used to think Tulsa was like a right wing turd sprinkled with burnt hair, but now I think of it as a progressive wonderland that could give SF a run for its money. Thx for letting us know how backwards we are.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix, AZ USA
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Just an FYI, the state voters did not change their opinion, the activist 9th court changed the law. Opinions remain the same, good or bad.
The Ninth Circuit applied the Constitution and existing case law, including Supreme Court decisions, to the statute and amendment in question, and ruled on their constitutionality. That's their job. Just like every other court that's ruled on the question.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Avondale and Tempe, Arizona
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I used to live in Benson Arizona, so I was surprised to see it so late having same-sex marriage. I never really thought of Arizona as being backwards and regressive until recently. It now seems like it belongs more in the Bible belt than the Sunbelt.
I have to disagree on this point, I don't think this state is anything at all like the bible belt.

A large share of people in Arizona might lean conservative on financial matters but most of the people I know are fairly progressive or nonchalant about social issues.

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Old 10-20-2014, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Gosh, I guess you're totally right. Also, I used to think Tulsa was like a right wing turd sprinkled with burnt hair, but now I think of it as a progressive wonderland that could give SF a run for its money. Thx for letting us know how backwards we are.
You're welcome!
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:11 PM
 
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Just an FYI, the state voters did not change their opinion, the activist 9th court changed the law. Opinions remain the same, good or bad.
You're certainly wrong about the "activist court" assertion. The (many) courts did their job in determining that same sex marriage bans don't pass constitutional scrutiny. I also believe that you're wrong regarding the court of popular opinion. The majority of Americans now support SSM and I believe the same would be true of Arizonans. After all, everyone always claims how "live and let live" they/we are.
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Old 10-20-2014, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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I have to disagree on this point, I don't think this state is anything at all like the bible belt.

A large share of people in Arizona might lean conservative on financial matters but most of the people I know are fairly progressive or nonchalant about social issues.

The reason Arizona seems backward lately is all the stupidity from the knuckleheads in the government, mostly the legislature and MCSO.

I'm hoping that will change some after the upcoming election.

It just seems like every time I turn around I see something on the news about some crazy right-wing BS coming out of Arizona. I always think to myself Arizona? Seems like something I would see in Oklahoma or Alabama.
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