Arizona politics keeps the stupid people out of our State (Phoenix: 2013, home)
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Poverty numbers stem from the vast amounts of illegal immigrants, and dirt-poor reservations, Im sure.
And if you think AZ is bad, I invite you to Chicago sometime. You think poverty is bad here? You think education is bad here? Go visit Chicago, I dare you. Chicagoans have to deal with RIDICULOUSLY high taxes, RAMPANT crime, anti-gun laws, commie-like mayors, horrible roads (toll roads nonetheless), "sanctuary city" BS, etc. We have it good in AZ. Trust me on that.
Stop and think for just a split second... Do you ever wonder why so many people flee cities like Chicago, NYC, LA? Stop and think about reasons why there are mass migrations away from those cities to PHX. People are tired of the crime. Theyre tired of the high taxes. Theyre tired of the bad education. The Democratic corruption. The horrible roads. The neverending debt. Theyre tired of having Constitutional rights taken away. Theyre beat down by the fact that theyre paying for hundreds of thousands of illegals. Theyre tired of funding masses on welfare, who continually vote in liberals. Its a vicious cycle of neverending BS.
And nothing irks me more than those same people who vote in those boneheads, then reap the negativity that they sow, then relocate here and try to turn it into the same sh**hole that they left. Makes perfect sense, doesnt it?!?!
If you dont like AZ and how "conservative" it is, go back to Chicago. Or Detroit. Or LA. Or NYC. Enjoy the crappy quality of life that they offer. I wouldnt move to San Fran and complain how liberal it is, so dont move to AZ and complain how conservative it is. I wouldnt move to San Fran and demand the public conform to conservative beliefs. You know what youre getting into when you move some place, it shouldnt be a shock now should it?
I think what myself and a lot of other posters are making isn't that we are mad that Arizona is a 'Conservative' State (it has like a 20% voter turnout so even that is debatable). There's an overarching image issue that we can't shake, it scares away tourists, business opportunities and the kind of people who really create great things like Tech Entrepeneurs. It's fine that the small sliver of voting population is a Conservative bloc the issue is that we vote the wrong 'type' of Conservative into office that makes us look like a bunch of angry old white people scared of 5 foot 8 Mexicans walking around. I would even contend that Arizona is much more purple than our voting record would indicate, the issue is that people don't vote and with mail in voting that's inexcusable. I worked for a few campaigns during our last election cycle, the hardest part was getting people to actually cast a ballot. Just look at some of our major cities.
Mesa
Glendale
Scottsdale (northern half)
Gilbert
Surprise
Yuma
Prescott Valley
East Valley Conservatism is impressively organized.
Arizona is a large diverse state of liberal and conservative nodes, but the Republican Party is one well-oiled money making organized machine that anybody should envy. I think the GOP runs some remarkable organizations and really has a pull with it's constituents.
Look at the types of cities that attract Venture Capital, we should be much higher than 26 if we are truly a business friendly environment. It's all perpetrated by what the OP is trying to prove, out Politics keep the wrong kind of person out and bring the wrong kind of person in. Even OP admits our politics don't accurately reflect the State.
This isn't a left vs right issue as I keep saying, this is an image problem.
Now we get to what our 'Conservative Economy really is. We have a centrally planned economy centered around centrally planned resources requiring Government Organizations such as CAP or SRP. Much of our industry is centered around Education (government), Defense Contracting (government) and military (government), let's not forget that the State of Arizona is the largest employer in Southern AZ and one of the largest in the State.
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Too; MOST illegal aliens are some kind of "Hispanic" so that's why so many of us Americans give Spanish speaking Latinos who ain't the "tourist type" the "stink eye".
Here's a tip for you based on years of my personal experience. Many Spanish- speaking Latinos who "aren't the tourist type" -- whatever that means -- let's just say "who live here" are LEGAL citizens, who don't deserve the "stink eye" from you and your friends. It's anyone's right to speak Spanish or any other native language in public if they want to, {I'm leaving transactions with the government out of this discussion) and you have no business being offended by ANYONE speaking their native language in public.
It's fine that the small sliver of voting population is a Conservative bloc the issue is that we vote the wrong 'type' of Conservative into office that makes us look like a bunch of angry old white people scared of 5 foot 8 Mexicans walking around.
If you care that desperately what urban liberals and their media lapdogs think about Arizona, all I can say is you're in for a lot more mental torment. Conservatives are fleeing California. We're not afraid of "5 foot 8 Mexicans walking around" -- shoot, this is California we're talking about, it has been like that forever. We're afraid of progressive politicians and the takers that keep re-electing them.
You remind me of my next door neighbor. Nice lady, a bit reclusive, but she's emotionally invested in what Europeans think of the United States. I can't figure out why anyone would care, when their grand experiment in socialist economics is doing so well for them...
If you care that desperately what urban liberals and their media lapdogs think about Arizona, all I can say is you're in for a lot more mental torment. Conservatives are fleeing California. We're not afraid of "5 foot 8 Mexicans walking around" -- shoot, this is California we're talking about, it has been like that forever. We're afraid of progressive politicians and the takers that keep re-electing them.
You remind me of my next door neighbor. Nice lady, a bit reclusive, but she's emotionally invested in what Europeans think of the United States. I can't figure out why anyone would care, when their grand experiment in socialist economics is doing so well for them...
If you would have read my post I think you'd have a different inclination. My post is about the Economy.
Poverty numbers stem from the vast amounts of illegal immigrants, and dirt-poor reservations, Im sure.
And if you think AZ is bad, I invite you to Chicago sometime. You think poverty is bad here? You think education is bad here? Go visit Chicago, I dare you. Chicagoans have to deal with RIDICULOUSLY high taxes, RAMPANT crime, anti-gun laws, commie-like mayors, horrible roads (toll roads nonetheless), "sanctuary city" BS, etc. We have it good in AZ. Trust me on that.
Stop and think for just a split second... Do you ever wonder why so many people flee cities like Chicago, NYC, LA? Stop and think about reasons why there are mass migrations away from those cities to PHX. People are tired of the crime. Theyre tired of the high taxes. Theyre tired of the bad education. The Democratic corruption. The horrible roads. The neverending debt. Theyre tired of having Constitutional rights taken away. Theyre beat down by the fact that theyre paying for hundreds of thousands of illegals. Theyre tired of funding masses on welfare, who continually vote in liberals. Its a vicious cycle of neverending BS.
And nothing irks me more than those same people who vote in those boneheads, then reap the negativity that they sow, then relocate here and try to turn it into the same sh**hole that they left. Makes perfect sense, doesnt it?!?!
If you dont like AZ and how "conservative" it is, go back to Chicago. Or Detroit. Or LA. Or NYC. Enjoy the crappy quality of life that they offer. I wouldnt move to San Fran and complain how liberal it is, so dont move to AZ and complain how conservative it is. I wouldnt move to San Fran and demand the public conform to conservative beliefs. You know what youre getting into when you move some place, it shouldnt be a shock now should it?
Exactly!
Given people can't control anything beyond their own vote, or running around and preaching to everyone that "we should be this way!" because they are worried what some ignorant people think about a state's "image", things are the way they are. And as I've said before, working and knowing many people in many other states over the years, it's the same old same old. Just take AZ and replace it with any other state and people moan and complain about the same things. It's almost comical. Guess some people would rather moan all day rather than move to a "Grass is greener" state. Probably because deep down they know they'll have a new list of things to whine about when they get there!
People wanting to leave means nothing.
This isn't a left vs right issue. It's crazy how the system creates a them vs us mentality.
Why isn't Arizona included on States that people want to stay in?
Building stuff has been our economic driver for decades, I'm glad we're centralizing in Phoenix finally!
Phoenix proper is a city with a liberal mayor, Tempe is a liberal city why are they continually cited as our beacons? It makes no sense huh? Two of our Valley liberal cities are thriving. Strange.
Which companies are moving here and bringing high paying work? Don't name call centers.
Why is it okay for our State Universities to go from among the cheapest to on par with the UC system?
I doubt Obama has many direct effects on our local issues.
Liberals never want to argue facts, because they lose every time. The states where people are the most miserable is where liberal policies have been put in place and only work until they run out of other peoples money, then the liberal states have to tax the working class to death to pay for failed policies and people start leaving in droves.
A week ago I was at the DMV and asked the gal behind the counter where people were moving from the most and she said Illinois and California. Failed liberal policies are driving those that are able to move to conservative states. Sadly many bring there failed liberal ideas with them having never learned that liberalism only works until you run out of other peoples money.
AZ is currently a conservative state (concealed weapons carry no permit needed) and that is why people want to live here, in 1 word it is FREEDOM.
Most of the states where people are unhappy and want to leave are high tax liberal states,not conservative states so that speaks volumes to those that are listening.
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Liberals never want to argue facts, because they lose every time. The states where people are the most miserable is where liberal policies have been put in place and only work until they run out of other peoples money, then the liberal states have to tax the working class to death to pay for failed policies and people start leaving in droves.
A week ago I was at the DMV and asked the gal behind the counter where people were moving from the most and she said Illinois and California. Failed liberal policies are driving those that are able to move to conservative states. Sadly many bring there failed liberal ideas with them having never learned that liberalism only works until you run out of other peoples money.
AZ is currently a conservative state (concealed weapons carry no permit needed) and that is why people want to live here, in 1 word it is FREEDOM.
Most of the states where people are unhappy and want to leave are high tax liberal states,not conservative states so that speaks volumes to those that are listening.
You didn't answer any of my questions, there are no facts in your post merely conjecture. There are a lot of patterns to explain these migrations. East to West, Cold to Warm, Urban to Rural and a lot of the States where people are happy are Blue states too. But I'm sure some misc. employee of the DMV is a credible source
The most important fact however is that your trying to prove that our policies are keeping people here but I didn't see us on either of your lists. So I found your source and low and behold! Arizona ranks 3rd for States where people are likely to leave! We rank right behind Illinois and Nevada! We are also 12th! In states where people have the desire to move!
You didn't answer any of my questions, there are no facts in your post merely conjecture. There are a lot of patterns to explain these migrations. East to West, Cold to Warm, Urban to Rural and a lot of the States where people are happy are Blue states too. But I'm sure some misc. employee of the DMV is a credible source
The most important fact however is that your trying to prove that our policies are keeping people here but I didn't see us on either of your lists. So I found your source and low and behold! Arizona ranks 3rd for States where people are likely to leave! We rank right behind Illinois and Nevada! We are also 12th! In states where people have the desire to move!
People saying "yes, would like to move" is much different than putting those words into action, ie actually moving. My experience has been most people talk and never take action, no matter how much they complain about a place they say they hate. Change is difficult for most people and the "devil you know" saying is very true.
Regardless, the take away point in all of this is AZ has always been a top 10 state in growth in just about every category for a long time now. And while people come and go, net net, the population in AZ keeps rising year over year while many states are losing population. Some losing a great deal of population.
The outbound migration numbers are just as telling for some states losing the most population to states like AZ. And I'd say those states losing the most are good examples of high spending states on education, this, that, and the other thing, adapting "we love everyone" policies, etc. that you seem to be indicating in your posts that AZ should be doing. Yet those policies don't see to be keeping people in those states that embrace exactly those policies you want with so many people leaving them in droves, and losing net population over decades now while states like AZ has been doing just the opposite....net net gain in population.
As far as your comment: "The most important fact however is that your trying to prove that our policies are keeping people here but I didn't see us on either of your lists."
Here's the hard numbers, population growth of Phoenix since 1950 showing the steady growth, aside from 2009-2010 where we were in the peak of our housing bust and Phoenix population dipped just a bit only for that year:
And that's just Phoenix of course. Look at many other AZ cities, especially in the valley, and all the growth that's going on and the net/net positive population growth. Some big growth going on, especially in fast growing west valley cities like Goodyear, Surprise, Buckeye, etc. And still growing.
To be honest, I appreciate slow and steady growth of cities and regions as I think that's healthier overall for a city/region so if anything, I think it wouldn't hurt for AZ to institute some real hostile policies to slow our population growth down a bit.
People saying "yes, would like to move" is much different than putting those words into action, ie actually moving. My experience has been most people talk and never take action, no matter how much they complain about a place they say they hate. Change is difficult for most people and the "devil you know" saying is very true.
Regardless, the take away point in all of this is AZ has always been a top 10 state in growth in just about every category for a long time now. And while people come and go, net net, the population in AZ keeps rising year over year while many states are losing population. Some losing a great deal of population.
The outbound migration numbers are just as telling for some states losing the most population to states like AZ. And I'd say those states losing the most are good examples of high spending states on education, this, that, and the other thing, adapting "we love everyone" policies, etc. that you seem to be indicating in your posts that AZ should be doing. Yet those policies don't see to be keeping people in those states that embrace exactly those policies you want with so many people leaving them in droves, and losing net population over decades now while states like AZ has been doing just the opposite....net net gain in population.
As far as your comment: "The most important fact however is that your trying to prove that our policies are keeping people here but I didn't see us on either of your lists."
Here's the hard numbers, population growth of Phoenix since 1950 showing the steady growth, aside from 2009-2010 where we were in the peak of our housing bust and Phoenix population dipped just a bit only for that year:
And that's just Phoenix of course. Look at many other AZ cities, especially in the valley, and all the growth that's going on and the net/net positive population growth. Some big growth going on, especially in fast growing west valley cities like Goodyear, Surprise, Buckeye, etc. And still growing.
To be honest, I appreciate slow and steady growth of cities and regions as I think that's healthier overall for a city/region so if anything, I think it wouldn't hurt for AZ to institute some real hostile policies to slow our population growth down a bit.
For the first time in this thread I completely agree with you!
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