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Old 03-29-2016, 03:04 PM
 
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Fresh in from Phoenix Business Journal: So the next time you see a panhandler at a traffic light just think of him following Arizona's great tradition of mooching of other people's money
From the article:
"This means that taxpayers in other states are subsidizing Arizona social services and education."
"The study also found that “red” states have twice the federal dependency as “blue” states, a trend WalletHub’s experts believe belies the stereotypical red state call for small government and less federal involvement in state affairs."


http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/b...ess+Journal%29
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Old 03-29-2016, 03:24 PM
 
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But boot straps and hard work??
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Old 03-29-2016, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Raleigh-Durham NC
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Problem #1 - Over 25% of AZ land is made up of indian reservations, 38% of the nations indian population reside in AZ, these reservations are heavily subsidized by the US gov't

https://www3.epa.gov/region9/air/map...1100040_2g.gif

Problem #2 - there are over 1,000,000 illegal aliens residing in AZ (yes, they qualify for welfare) have worsened the problem

Problem #3 - Phoenix (unlike most large cities) have very low wages (possibly due to the large population of "undocumented workers")

PHX has a lot of hard working full time employees that make less than $25,000 a year making them eligible for subsidies

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Old 03-29-2016, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Over 25% of AZ land is made up of indian reservations, 38% of the nations indian population reside in AZ, these reservations are heavily subsidized by the US gov't

https://www3.epa.gov/region9/air/map...1100040_2g.gif
The argument in the title post is flawed in part because all states with smaller populations and/or a larger portion of land area in Federal ownership, or under Federal management; it's not the only factor, but it's one the "blue state" crowd would rather not address.

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Old 03-29-2016, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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No surprise there...this State has always lacked companies HQ'd in AZ. I think last count was 110ish that actually had HQ here. Our states' largest employer is Walmart...followed by Banner Health...which creates an interesting dichotomy. The largest employer mostly pays minimum wage...Banner is a Healthcare company typically paying well over $20 per hour for employees. Kroger and Albertson's follow with Wells Fargo rounding out the top 5.

The methodology seems questionable as well...
State Residents’ Dependency – Total Points: 50
Return on Taxes Paid to the Federal Government (~37.50 Points)
Note: This metric was calculated by dividing federal funding in U.S. dollars by IRS collections in U.S. dollars.
Share of Federal Jobs (~12.50 Points)

State Government’s Dependency – Total Points: 50
Federal Funding as a Percentage of State Revenue (~50.00 Points)
Note: This metric was calculated by dividing federal revenues in U.S. dollars by state revenues in U.S. dollars then multiplying the result by 100.
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Old 03-29-2016, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Raleigh-Durham NC
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The argument in the title post is flawed in part because all states with smaller populations and/or a larger portion of land area in Federal ownership, or under Federal management; it's not the only factor, but it's one the "blue state" crowd would rather not address.
you are right:.... the other and more pressing factor is 1 million illegal aliens, holding wages down, not paying income tax, and collecting welfare
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Old 03-29-2016, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Fresh in from Phoenix Business Journal: So the next time you see a panhandler at a traffic light just think of him following Arizona's great tradition of mooching of other people's money
From the article:
"This means that taxpayers in other states are subsidizing Arizona social services and education."
"The study also found that “red” states have twice the federal dependency as “blue” states, a trend WalletHub’s experts believe belies the stereotypical red state call for small government and less federal involvement in state affairs."


http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/b...ess+Journal%29
Sounds like Arizona is smart to mooch off the federal taxpayer. Probably a big reason is so many retirees on social security.
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Old 03-29-2016, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Problem #1 - Over 25% of AZ land is made up of indian reservations, 38% of the nations indian population reside in AZ, these reservations are heavily subsidized by the US gov't

https://www3.epa.gov/region9/air/map...1100040_2g.gif

Problem #2 - there are over 1,000,000 illegal aliens residing in AZ (yes, they qualify for welfare) have worsened the problem

Problem #3 - Phoenix (unlike most large cities) have very low wages (possibly due to the large population of "undocumented workers")

PHX has a lot of hard working full time employees that make less than $25,000 a year making them eligible for subsidies
Had to rep this post....cause and effect explained so even liberals might comprehend...nah.
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Old 03-29-2016, 05:08 PM
 
Location: prescott az
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A dumb article. Federal taxpayers in other states are not subsidizing AZ. And we are not dependent on anyone. AZ uses the system as it should. I call that smart.
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Old 03-29-2016, 06:05 PM
 
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Problem #1 - Over 25% of AZ land is made up of indian reservations, 38% of the nations indian population reside in AZ, these reservations are heavily subsidized by the US gov't

https://www3.epa.gov/region9/air/map...1100040_2g.gif
Got to love a flawed and biased news article. Even after you post the answer, people are still posting their "opinion".

From the article "In fact, Arizona and New Mexico were the only Rocky Mountain and Western states among the top 15 "

Both states have the lions share of Indian Reservations - This is not to say the Natives are mooches, they get federal money no matter how much they work and make.

Lets also not forget all the government funded National Parks.

Business Journal should be ashamed of themselves for posting a news story without the facts.
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