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View Poll Results: Should Arizona legalize non-tribal casinos?
Yes 15 44.12%
No 18 52.94%
Only certain areas 1 2.94%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-21-2016, 03:56 PM
 
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I wouldn't be surprised to see vegas get a team at some point if their population continues to grow & other industries mature - they are already getting a hockey team - right now Vegas has it pretty good as they are the only ones profiting off sports wagering
You should say 'the only ones "legally" profiting off sports wagering'! There's plenty of people or syndicates profiting off of sports wagering outside of Las Vegas, just not legally.
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Old 08-21-2016, 04:05 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Yes.

The state and tribes should not have a monopoly on gaming. I support having a casino anywhere. They don't increase crime as the puritans believe. In many cases they can actually help stimulate an economy.
Absolutely! There's no reason to only have casinos on tribal land ... although, I regret to admit that they have given a glimmer of hope to some of the reservations, which are impoverished, trashy wastelands for the most part. It's also pretty humorous to see some of the adamant "NO" responses to the question of legalizing non tribal casinos, but no detailed explanations of why they would be opposed to them. In the slim chance that AZ would fully legalize casino gambling, I don't foresee it being a huge industry that dominates everything like in Nevada.

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You lost money at black jack? No one's fault but your own. There's a difference between being in favor of opening a market and being in favor of gambling (similar to the belief that drugs should be de-criminalized does not equate support of using them). I don't gamble so I make a choice not to gamble or go to casinos because I have no interest. But it's not my place to tell someone else he/she cannot gamble.
Right on the money again! At the same time, I guess you would have to understand the mentality of somebody like Firebird. He makes the personal choice to go inside a casino to gamble, loses some money in the process, and then believes because of his loss as well as his dislike of the way casinos make their profits, gambling is not OK. I'm not OK with his meddling socialistic viewpoints, but it's a free country & he has a right to his beliefs.
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Old 08-21-2016, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Absolutely! There's no reason to only have casinos on tribal land ... although, I regret to admit that they have given a glimmer of hope to some of the reservations, which are impoverished, trashy wastelands for the most part. It's also pretty humorous to see some of the adamant "NO" responses to the question of legalizing non tribal casinos, but no detailed explanations of why they would be opposed to them. In the slim chance that AZ would fully legalize casino gambling, I don't foresee it being a huge industry that dominates everything like in Nevada.



Right on the money again! At the same time, I guess you would have to understand the mentality of somebody like Firebird. He makes the personal choice to go inside a casino to gamble, loses some money in the process, and then believes because of his loss as well as his dislike of the way casinos make their profits, gambling is not OK. I'm not OK with his meddling socialistic viewpoints, but it's a free country & he has a right to his beliefs.
Oh, because I believe that people have the right to an education for their children, I'm a meddling socialist?

And my point was, when you gamble in a casino, you are basically just giving the casino money for nothing in return, since 97 out of 100 people lose
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Old 08-21-2016, 06:54 PM
 
Location: PHX -> ATL
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If anybody wants to see how the NFL feels about legal sports betting, look no further than London. The NFL has been playing at least one game there every year since 2007 and most recently has been averaging 3 games played there each season. In London and the rest of the U.K. not only can you legally bet on sports, including the NFL games played there, you can bet on everything and anything, including who will win political elections, including American elections! I know there has been talk of putting an NFL team in London, I'm not saying it will or will not happen, that's a whole other discussion, but if the NFL has no issues putting a team across the pond, then there should be no issues putting one in Las Vegas.

Camaro, I don't know if there are too many casinos or not enough casinos in both Arizona and the US, but I do know if a stand alone non-Native American casino was built in Westgate, right across from UofP stadium or anywhere else in the Phoenix metroplex with slots, craps, roulette, blackjack, poker, and everything a Vegas casino has (except for sports betting obviously), the NFL will not be making the Cardinals leave the state.
London is the NFL's most likely failed attempt to draw international support for football. So they can go across from just our own country. The biggest issue is that our football is not the real football (I do agree that soccer is the real football) and having two different football sports would be very confusing. The UK, and the rest of the world, aren't going to change the name of football to soccer, but by all technicalities, it would be way easier to change our football to a name of something else, because really we are the only country who plays it.

I really don't see how the UK, or any other country for that matter, can wrap around our sport of football.
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Old 08-21-2016, 06:58 PM
 
Location: PHX -> ATL
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I do get why people are voting yes on this poll. But I personally voted no because I want it to support the Native Americans. In all honesty, I feel bad for them, the reservations are not very good and this is a great source to give them money. A way for them to climb up. And I don't want to take it from them because I can guarantee if we did legalize non-tribal casinos all the Las Vegas chains would hop right on in Phoenix and build them and I would suspect they would do better in the market than the NA casinos. In Arizona if you really want to gamble, being in the state with the largest amount of land dedicated to Native Americans, it's really not that hard to get to a casino. We have both the #1 and #2 largest NA reservations and a few others.
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Old 08-22-2016, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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I do get why people are voting yes on this poll. But I personally voted no because I want it to support the Native Americans. In all honesty, I feel bad for them, the reservations are not very good and this is a great source to give them money. A way for them to climb up. And I don't want to take it from them because I can guarantee if we did legalize non-tribal casinos all the Las Vegas chains would hop right on in Phoenix and build them and I would suspect they would do better in the market than the NA casinos. In Arizona if you really want to gamble, being in the state with the largest amount of land dedicated to Native Americans, it's really not that hard to get to a casino. We have both the #1 and #2 largest NA reservations and a few others.
You can still support Native Americans, purchase their jewelry, decor and turquoise trinkets without going gambling. Not completely true, some casinos will expand in Arizona, but they won't do better than some of the tribal casinos if they charge more by being trendy and for the rich. The tribal casinos can market themselves better if done correctly through promotions, loyal customers, etc.
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Old 08-22-2016, 05:17 PM
 
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You can still support Native Americans, purchase their jewelry, decor and turquoise trinkets without going gambling. Not completely true, some casinos will expand in Arizona, but they won't do better than some of the tribal casinos if they charge more by being trendy and for the rich. The tribal casinos can market themselves better if done correctly through promotions, loyal customers, etc.
Buying roadside souvenirs won't make up the losses from missing casino income, wouldn't even scratch the surface.

You should come down to Phoenix, Talking Stick and Wildhorse Pass wouldn't appear out of place in Vegas.
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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Oh, because I believe that people have the right to an education for their children, I'm a meddling socialist?

And my point was, when you gamble in a casino, you are basically just giving the casino money for nothing in return, since 97 out of 100 people lose
Fort McDowell has given me love for years...just a few weeks ago !!
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Old 08-26-2016, 11:50 PM
 
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Laughlin been good as well to mix in some NFL bets which I wish native casinos would allow. Keno at Riverside rocks !! Thank you Mr Don Laughlin
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Old 08-26-2016, 11:55 PM
 
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