Prop 205 to Legalize Recreational Marijuana in Arizona (NOV 2016) (Scottsdale: credit, buying)

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by elkotronics

You must be going nuts about all the texting/distracted driving going on.

Or people falling asleep at the wheel. You've all seen the videos of cops getting rammed in to from morons who can't drive? You guys think smoking some strong pot is going to...flavor that situation up even stronger? Just maybe? The issue doesn't have a good solution, but making it worse is like adding kerosene ta the fire.

So you must be battling to have alcohol made illegal too, right?

[elkotronics]

Or people falling asleep at the wheel. You've all seen the videos of cops getting rammed in to from morons who can't drive? You guys think smoking some strong pot is going to...flavor that situation up even stronger? Just maybe? The issue doesn't have a good solution, but making it worse is like adding kerosene ta the fire.

[DetroitN8V]

According to this poll, the overwhelming majority here have the sense to see the epic failure that is/was marijuana criminalization and will vote in favor of legalization. How do you guys think this translates to the actual vote? There are a lot of old-timers from the Reefer Madness days that may not get it and that type shows up in big numbers.

[Snowball7]

Originally Posted by Potential_Landlord

My main concern is the driving while high. Are there any established studies, baselines etc. like we have for alcohol?

some things you don't need a study for, am i wrong ?

being stoned and driving, or drinking AND being stoned, and texting..
stoned and texting, just STONED, MAN...

more accidents and deaths.

but wait.. you need stats, ok, ppl will die, their deaths
will be your statistics.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Snowball7

some things you don't need a study for, am i wrong ?

being stoned and driving, or drinking AND being stoned, and texting..
stoned and texting, just STONED, MAN...

more accidents and deaths.

but wait.. you need stats, ok, ppl will die, their deaths
will be your statistics.

Your argument is nothing but a straw man. As said before, this proposition would not legalize impaired driving in any way nor is anyone advocating for that.

[jburress]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

According to this poll, the overwhelming majority here have the sense to see the epic failure that is/was marijuana criminalization and will vote in favor of legalization. How do you guys think this translates to the actual vote? There are a lot of old-timers from the Reefer Madness days that may not get it and that type shows up in big numbers.

Unfortunately, I think you're right.

The senior citizen crowd always shows up in an election year and the majority of them still believe the propaganda of the evils of marijuana they've heard for decades.

They will be the deciding factor.

I hope I'm wrong.

[ScottsdaleMark]

The bill is extremely aggressive -- this is not some half-measure; the Marijuana Policy Project is really swinging for the fences. Particularly audacious is the way it enshrines marijuana into law as an explicit personal right -- something that hasn't been done for tobacco or alcohol. Legally it's going to be an interesting can of worms if it passes because other substances don't have these kinds of protections in place. And, our Voter Protection Law means once this is voted in, it cannot be repealed, reduced, or watered down in any way.

Also quite audacious is the way the measure actually spells out which political parties the governing board members are allowed to be from! I've never seen the like. The law stacks the marijuana board by requiring 3 of the 7 to be marijuana business owners, which combined with the political party restrictions, is apparently designed to make sure the marijuana industry will always control the commission.

How is that effective government oversight? You're literally enshrining an industry lobbying body -- and one that is guaranteed to have a majority of one political party on it -- into the state government. That's just ridiculous and not in the best interests of the STATE. Please see the following PDF, page number "4" at the bottom. LINK.

"The marijuana commission consists of seven members....three of whom are at all times while serving...controlling persons of a marijuana establishment. Not more than four members may be of the same political party....and at least one member who is not a controlling person must be from the political party associated with the gubernatorial candidate who received the second largest number of votes at the last gubernatorial election."

Isn't that ridiculous? So you're guaranteeing yourself three marijuana business owners, and a Democrat, who I guess they assume will be bound to be supportive of their policies. That's who the state would have in charge of regulating/restricting/considering what's good and bad about marijuana policy.

It's like if our liquor control board was regulated by a law that said, OK, there's seven seats, three have to be filled by brewery owners, and a fourth person can only be a member of the political party that does not hold the governorship.

Regardless of your stance on marijuana, I think most people would agree that's not good governance.

[ScottsdaleMark]

Here are some other reasons to think twice about Prop 205. It goes way beyond even what Colorado did.

In one Colorado hospital, nearly 50% of newborns tested positive for marijuana recently. And that's perfectly legal there and would be here too, as marijuana would be an unassailable personal right, one that cannot be used to decide things like child custody cases. (LINK to the Colorado story, hospital in Pueblo, CO.)

Crime, homelessness, and drug cartel activity have all increased in Colorado since legalization. State resources otherwise used for those in need are spent on the influx of homeless seeking shelter and services.

The key is that, if the government "regulated" shops are selling weed at top dollar...do you really think the drug dealers are just going to go away? No! Just like in Colorado, they go from being a monopoly, to simply competing in a more diverse marketplace based on price. Their presence and activity will INCREASE, as has been seen in legalization states, because there is nothing to fear in terms of being caught and charged with possession. So unlicensed dealers will be everywhere, competing only on price, and facing only a $300 fine if they get caught carrying a large amount of weed, according to the full text of Prop 205. Not much of a disincentive there, so I expect unlicensed growers and dealers to proliferate.

Prop 205 prohibits authorities from imposing a THC limit (the mind-altering ingredient found in marijuana) for impaired drivers. So they'll be stuck going to court without the use of quantifiable data, able only to make subjective arguments about a driver's impairment.

Prop 205 prohibits most cities and towns from banning marijuana operations in our communities, unlike Colorado’s law. If a weed shop wants to open up next door to your house, or next door to your kids' preschool, they absolutely can. Prop 205 permits sales of marijuana edibles near preschools and youth clubs such as Boys & Girls Clubs. And K-12 schools? Just 500 feet away.

Prop 205 authorizes the production and sale of highly-concentrated marijuana edibles and candies without limits on potency. There have been real and significant issues with kids accidentally ingesting marijuana candies in Colorado.

Prop 205 expands drug use permitting current medical marijuana dispensaries to sell recreational marijuana from the same store front. Prop 205 contains provisions allowing for smoking in public to gradually phase in by starting to allow it over time inside of pot shops...these are baby steps so they can eventually come back in the future and have an easier time having it approved for use everywhere at all times.

Prop 205 allows blatant advertising of marijuana and marijuana products.

Prop 205 stacks the new Marijuana Commission with industry representatives to “regulate” their own industry.

Prop 205 is 20 pages of legalese written by out-of-state lobbyists and in-state special interests to guarantee marijuana monopolies.

Colorado youth now ranks #1 in the nation for marijuana use.

Colorado marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 62% since the drug was legalized for recreational use in 2013.

Large hospital organizations in Colorado are trying to ban pot shops as more newborns are born with THC in their systems.

Marijuana-related hospitalizations have jumped 38% and Emergency Room visits have climbed 29% since legalization in CO.

[43north87west]

Yes. 100% behind it. I cannot personally think of one reason not to vote for it.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by ScottsdaleMark

Here are some other reasons to think twice about Prop 205. It goes way beyond even what Colorado did.

In one Colorado hospital, nearly 50% of newborns tested positive for marijuana recently. And that's perfectly legal there and would be here too, as marijuana would be an unassailable personal right, one that cannot be used to decide things like child custody cases. (LINK to the Colorado story, hospital in Pueblo, CO.)

Crime, homelessness, and drug cartel activity have all increased in Colorado since legalization. State resources otherwise used for those in need are spent on the influx of homeless seeking shelter and services.

The key is that, if the government "regulated" shops are selling weed at top dollar...do you really think the drug dealers are just going to go away? No! Just like in Colorado, they go from being a monopoly, to simply competing in a more diverse marketplace based on price. Their presence and activity will INCREASE, as has been seen in legalization states, because there is nothing to fear in terms of being caught and charged with possession. So unlicensed dealers will be everywhere, competing only on price, and facing only a $300 fine if they get caught carrying a large amount of weed, according to the full text of Prop 205. Not much of a disincentive there, so I expect unlicensed growers and dealers to proliferate.

Prop 205 prohibits authorities from imposing a THC limit (the mind-altering ingredient found in marijuana) for impaired drivers. So they'll be stuck going to court without the use of quantifiable data, able only to make subjective arguments about a driver's impairment.

Prop 205 prohibits most cities and towns from banning marijuana operations in our communities, unlike Colorado’s law. If a weed shop wants to open up next door to your house, or next door to your kids' preschool, they absolutely can. Prop 205 permits sales of marijuana edibles near preschools and youth clubs such as Boys & Girls Clubs. And K-12 schools? Just 500 feet away.

Prop 205 authorizes the production and sale of highly-concentrated marijuana edibles and candies without limits on potency. There have been real and significant issues with kids accidentally ingesting marijuana candies in Colorado.

Prop 205 expands drug use permitting current medical marijuana dispensaries to sell recreational marijuana from the same store front. Prop 205 contains provisions allowing for smoking in public to gradually phase in by starting to allow it over time inside of pot shops...these are baby steps so they can eventually come back in the future and have an easier time having it approved for use everywhere at all times.

Prop 205 allows blatant advertising of marijuana and marijuana products.

Prop 205 stacks the new Marijuana Commission with industry representatives to “regulate” their own industry.

Prop 205 is 20 pages of legalese written by out-of-state lobbyists and in-state special interests to guarantee marijuana monopolies.

Colorado youth now ranks #1 in the nation for marijuana use.

Colorado marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 62% since the drug was legalized for recreational use in 2013.

Large hospital organizations in Colorado are trying to ban pot shops as more newborns are born with THC in their systems.

Marijuana-related hospitalizations have jumped 38% and Emergency Room visits have climbed 29% since legalization in CO.

You directing the commercials?


This is my favorite anti 205 site. Check the "facts."

http://www.nofakelegalization.com/vote-no/summary/

Much like this forum, when things are bolder and underlined they are true.