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View Poll Results: Should historical monuments be removed if they offend some people?
yes 11 13.58%
no 70 86.42%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-25-2017, 03:34 PM
 
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Why continue this foolish false equivalency?
Columbus Circle, Grant's Tomb, The Jefferson Memorial, Faneiul Hall, etc., have all been mentioned recently by some type of a "civic activist" or another as symbols of oppression or what not. So it's not that false an equivalency.
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Old 08-25-2017, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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The statues do glorify and honor the men that fought against slavery abolition.
The Emancipation Proclamation didn't come until well after the war was under way, so you can see why many southerners didn't give a flying rats arse about slavery. They were mainly fighting for states' rights and against big gov't intrusion (which they viewed as an invasion). Yes, slavery was a huge part of it, but not everything, so that's why many view the statues as non-offending. I cant believe I'm defending them here, but I kinda see why they did what they did. I had family who served in the 8th Illinois Cavalry, so I'm staunchly anti-Confederate, but in these modern times, we're all sick of the govt intruding and taking. Hence the reason Trump got in. We're fed up.


On a side note, you also have to remember that generals like Stonewall, Grant, Lee, etc, went to West Point together, well before the split. Slavery was of course legal at that point all over, so one would have to ask, where do we stop tearing down statues? Grant served his nation at a time of slavery and didn't do anything about it until the war started, and at that point the war wasn't 100% about slavery. Do Grant's busts need to be ripped down because he might have been considered a "sympathizer"? And what about the blacks who owned slaves? Were they not guilty? I saw in the news today that idiots beheaded a Revolutionary War soldier's statue. Friggin idiots! Some turds also burned a Lincoln statue. This idiocy has no end in sight. Truly sad.
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Old 08-25-2017, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Escaped SoCal for Freedom in AZ!!!! LOVE IT!
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^^^ as with many things in our society - people use certain topics as an excuse to be destructive. Plain and simple. Like the idiots that destroy their own city when it's sports team wins a championship.

If you asked half the people involved, why they are doing it - the answers would be senseless.
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Columbus Circle, Grant's Tomb, The Jefferson Memorial, Faneiul Hall, etc., have all been mentioned recently by some type of a "civic activist" or another as symbols of oppression or what not. So it's not that false an equivalency.
Time to give Mexico back the land we "stole" from them after the Mexican-American war...now all those illegal aliens in CA, AZ, NM, WA, OR, UT, ID, NV, and CO can live in Mexico again.
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:33 PM
 
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Time to give Mexico back the land we "stole" from them after the Mexican-American war...now all those illegal aliens in CA, AZ, NM, WA, OR, UT, ID, NV, and CO can live in Mexico again.
Don't forget native Americans:

https://www.voanews.com/a/not-just-t...t/3997770.html
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Old 08-26-2017, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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We did not create the history that may offend and I don't think that we should destroy it either.
After all, without history, how do we learn?
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Old 08-26-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Forgive me...yes, we all need to pack up and return to the respective countries of our heritage. Then we can start tearing down all the historic castles that were built on the backs of peasant labor.
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:43 PM
 
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We did not create the history that may offend and I don't think that we should destroy it either.
After all, without history, how do we learn?
No one is suggesting that history should be destroyed.
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Old 08-26-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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No one is suggesting that history should be destroyed.
Except there are morons out there who do think it:
Colonel Crawford statue found decapitated outside Crawford County Courthouse - News 5 Cleveland
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Old 08-26-2017, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Notice that this statue had nothing to do with slavery or the Confederacy and was still destroyed.


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A statue of Colonel William Crawford outside the Crawford County Courthouse was without a head Friday. The head was not found anywhere on the property.

Colonel Crawford was a soldier in the French and Indian War and began the Revolutionary War as an American lieutenant colonel before becoming colonel. He was scalped and burned at the stake by Native Americans as revenge for the Gnadenhutten Massacre.
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