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View Poll Results: Should historical monuments be removed if they offend some people?
yes 11 13.58%
no 70 86.42%
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Old 08-28-2017, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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No one is killed by a confederate flag or statue but 266 black babies are killed each day by planned parenthood and the black community says nothing
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Old 08-29-2017, 01:09 AM
 
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Off topic. No one's suggesting that history should be erased. History books remain and we will continue to discuss this time in our history.
Hardly. You are implying that history can only exist in a book and in textual form. History is all around us and should not be removed just because it reminds us that bad things happened. Books have also been historically been considered a very fragile form of documenting history (books burn, in accidents and on purpose) and preserving historical sites and monuments are an integral part of humanity as a whole's culture. You do disservice to everyone to erase it just because values have changed and you feel differently. Those who erase any part of the past and only leave it subject to one form of historical remembrance will find it quickly removed after that and easily forgotten.
It is utterly shallow to assume that only positive and padded-room historical remembrance in the world is the only beneficial interaction and learning medium.
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Old 08-29-2017, 06:04 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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No one is killed by a confederate flag or statue
Agreed.
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...but 266 black babies are killed each day by planned parenthood and the black community says nothing
Here we have a problem. We should want people who lack the financial or emotional means to raise kids not to have them. It makes little sense for a society to punish people for having children they are supporting and subsidizing those that let their children grow up as wild animals. How are we punishing the former group? University tuitions, for example, are inflated by the cost of providing and administering financial aid to others. Middle class and wealthy families are providing the subsidies. And many students thus admitted lack the academic tools to make it.
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Old 08-29-2017, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Agreed.Here we have a problem. We should want people who lack the financial or emotional means to raise kids not to have them. It makes little sense for a society to punish people for having children they are supporting and subsidizing those that let their children grow up as wild animals.
I guess the whole "black lives matter" thing went right over your head there. WHOOSH


Its modern day genocide in a sense, but people are more concerned about inanimate statues.
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Old 08-29-2017, 07:57 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I guess the whole "black lives matter" thing went right over your head there. WHOOSH
All lives matter. Especially ones that can be productive.

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Its modern day genocide in a sense, but people are more concerned about inanimate statues.
Wait. The statues are committing genocide?
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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all lives matter. Especially ones that can be productive.

Wait. The statues are committing genocide?
whoosh
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Old 08-31-2017, 02:25 PM
 
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I'm a direct descendant of a Union Soldier who was killed the last week of the war near Nashville. However I'm also a retired Army NCO and I have great respect for the courage of Robert E Lee and the tactics of J E B Stuart. My best friend is a u of A Prof who is a direct descendant of James Tevis who left Tucson to join the Confederacy and then returned to Tucson to be a 'builder' of Arizona. We want our grand children to study history by a thorough examination of both sides during this awful war.
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:44 PM
 
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Those who fail to learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:04 PM
 
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Those who fail to learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it.
Wise notion, but irrelevant to this topic. No one is saying that the past should be forgotten.
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Old 09-02-2017, 11:49 PM
 
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Wise notion, but irrelevant to this topic. No one is saying that the past should be forgotten.
What is the point of removing Democrat/Confederate monuments then?
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