View Poll Results: Should historical monuments be removed if they offend some people?
yes
11 13.58%
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70 86.42%
08-17-2017, 12:01 PM
Location: SC
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Growing up near Boston I didn't see many memorials to the Red Coats.
Here's my favorite btw:
The history of many of the early post Civil War statues/memorials is complicated and ties into the difficulties faced during Reconstruction. So I don't think all memorials were created equal and if locals want to re-examine their presence then they should do so in a respectful manner.
That being said, when I see CAIR wants all Confederate memorials removed nationwide I immediately think hit the brakes.
How is this a memorial to red coats?
08-17-2017, 02:10 PM
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How is this a memorial to red coats?
It isn't, just one of my favorites. Poor sentence structure.
08-17-2017, 03:41 PM
Location: Arizona
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http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/...estroy-9602686
One of Arizona's six Confederate monuments has been defaced just days after President Donald Trump lamented the removal of Robert E. Lee statues at a Tuesday press conference at Trump Tower.
A stone monument of the president of the Confederate States, Jefferson Davis, was apparently tarred and feathered on Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway near Apache Junction.
The haters will not stop until all these monuments are destroyed, once they have been destroyed then they will attack all Christian monuments, wait and see.True Christians will never support transgenderism or homosexual marriage because the Bible speaks against these sins, so they will be attacked along with Christian symbols and monuments.This is the beginning of the end.
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08-17-2017, 04:06 PM
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The poll indicates so far that the vast majority of patriotic Arizona Americans want historical monuments left alone.You just do not want to admit it. The stats show only 2 people out of 24 would want a ,monument removed. That is a huge
The poll question refers to historical monuments; so if monuments are not historical, then 20 million poll respondents x zero relevance still = zero relevance.
One way that the Daughters of Confederacy monuments erected in Arizona in the 1940’s could become Arizona history would be if bigger monuments are erected adjacent, explaining how a group of late-coming, bitter busybodies traveled around the country inserting their attempts to rehabilitate their grandfathers’ legacies. That might be instructive.
Both sides of my family immigrated to Virginia from the British Isles in the 1600’s; many appear as owners in the slave schedules. Members fought on both sides of the Civil War. Probably this aforementioned class of busybody is the reason a lot of the family left for parts west as soon as the Cumberland Gap opened up.
In other news, personally I am not a fan of the Villa statue; I like the Kino statue and agree it would look more at home in Veinte de Agosto Park park downtown. Pretty sure the mismatched location prompts some of the controversy. However, it’s a fact that at least Pancho Villa has Arizona history during the Mexican Civil War down in and around Douglas and the Slaughter Ranch, where Mr Slaughter made Villa's outfit pay for the beef they killed and ate. Villa has some fun legends attached to the Gadsden Hotel there, as some insist his ghost haunts the basement — and his horse's hoof nicked the renowned staircase.
08-17-2017, 04:41 PM
Location: The edge of the world and all of Western civilization
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The haters will not stop until all these monuments are destroyed, once they have been destroyed then they will attack all Christian monuments, wait and see.True Christians will never support transgenderism or homosexual marriage because the Bible speaks against these sins , so they will be attacked along with Christian symbols and monuments.This is the beginning of the end.
I think the emboldened part is why some find your credibility hard and believe you're full of a piping-hot load of crap when you try to make this cause noble (to simplify it just for you, you brought up a completely irrelevant topic, which shows your prejudice). What do trans people and same-sex marriage have to do with Confederate memorials? You've also made it abundantly clear that
your opinions and beliefs matter, whereas those of others don't, and the way that
you interpret statues who represent soldiers (who were white, as you obsessively have to include whenever you mention it) is all that matters in leaving them up. If I felt like raising funds to build a colossal monument in Phoenix—a statue that would dwarf the Spring Temple Buddha—of Baphomet or LGBT people who have died at the hands of Christian persecution and ideology, you'd change your tune in what you support, because your fake outrage over this issue would be real outrage when your silly superstitions, I mean, beliefs are challenged.
08-17-2017, 07:27 PM
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Arizona Confederate Monuments Defaced | Phoenix New Times
One of Arizona's six Confederate monuments has been defaced just days after President Donald Trump lamented the removal of Robert E. Lee statues at a Tuesday press conference at Trump Tower.
A stone monument of the president of the Confederate States, Jefferson Davis, was apparently tarred and feathered on Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway near Apache Junction.
The haters will not stop until all these monuments are destroyed, once they have been destroyed then they will attack all Christian monuments, wait and see.True Christians will never support transgenderism or homosexual marriage because the Bible speaks against these sins, so they will be attacked along with Christian symbols and monuments.This is the beginning of the end.
How one person can live in such fear over absurd hypotheticals is just plain sad. Obsession with the LGBT is a bit bizarre and even more so considering the thread that YOU started has nothing to do with that subject.
On topic, if they're glorifying racism, chop them down. If they're depicting important parts of American history, leave them alone.
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08-17-2017, 08:25 PM
Location: San Antonio
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I have mixed thoughts. I'm all for leaving the statues, plaques and monuments up if they're at battlesites or other historically important places (historical houses etc). Otherwise, they're not reminders of history but symbols that divide the country, much as the war did back then.
08-17-2017, 08:29 PM
Location: San Antonio
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Arizona Confederate Monuments Defaced | Phoenix New Times
One of Arizona's six Confederate monuments has been defaced just days after President Donald Trump lamented the removal of Robert E. Lee statues at a Tuesday press conference at Trump Tower.
A stone monument of the president of the Confederate States, Jefferson Davis, was apparently tarred and feathered on Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway near Apache Junction.
The haters will not stop until all these monuments are destroyed, once they have been destroyed then they will attack all Christian monuments, wait and see.True Christians will never support transgenderism or homosexual marriage because the Bible speaks against these sins, so they will be attacked along with Christian symbols and monuments.This is the beginning of the end.
The only "monument" AZ needs is the one recognizing the battle at Picacho Pass. Any other monument in the state isn't historical in my mind, it's political.
08-17-2017, 08:33 PM
Location: San Antonio
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Pretty disingenuous to suggest that statues are mere "reminders" of history. If that were indeed true, I'm sure Germany would have its fair share of reminders in the likeness of Hitler. That isn't the case for a very good reason that seems to be lost on many conservatives.
08-17-2017, 08:54 PM
Location: San Antonio
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Pretty disingenuous to suggest that statues are mere "reminders" of history. If that were indeed true, I'm sure Germany would have its fair share of reminders in the likeness of Hitler. That isn't the case for a very good reason that seems to be lost on many conservatives.
Which is why I said if they commemorate the
battle , they're historical.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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