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View Poll Results: Should Arizona legalize prostitution/brothels?
Yes 75 58.14%
No 48 37.21%
Statewide 11 8.53%
Rural counties only 4 3.10%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 129. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-28-2018, 05:17 PM
 
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Oh please. Legalizing prostitution will not make if safer for the women or men involved. But it will make it easier for the sex traffickers to continue hiding behind “willing” workers. How can we be so naive? Vested interests.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:44 PM
 
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Oh please. Legalizing prostitution will not make if safer for the women or men involved. But it will make it easier for the sex traffickers to continue hiding behind “willing” workers. How can we be so naive? Vested interests.
Regulating it won't make it safer? How so? Maybe you're speaking to the black market that would continue undoubtedly, but I fail to see your point regarding those operating legally.
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Old 11-29-2018, 05:58 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Oh please. Legalizing prostitution will not make if safer for the women or men involved. But it will make it easier for the sex traffickers to continue hiding behind “willing” workers. How can we be so naive? Vested interests.
No it won't....

It makes it more difficult for women to come forward for help from the authorities without risking prosecution themselves.

You deal with sex trafficking as human trafficking.... not sex issue but rather a labor issue... apply existing labor laws to it, regulate it, protect individual dominion over body. Allow people who are in the business to report it and cooperate with the authorities. Making it illegal only pushes the problem underground. It fails to address human trafficking while taking away the rights of consenting adults.

WHat about trafficked humans in restaurant, housekeeping, nanny, nail salons, agricultural, etc.. jobs? Shall we make those illegal too?
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:38 PM
 
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They did it illegally, so how would they be further harmed by legalizing it? How would legalizing it have changed their fate other than keeping them safer and cleaner? Your comments speak to the merits of prostitution, not the legal implications.
Girls don't grow up wanting to be prostitutes. They just don't. It may, or may not, make them cleaner but I'm definitely not for legalizing it.
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Old 11-30-2018, 07:56 AM
 
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Girls don't grow up wanting to be prostitutes. They just don't. It may, or may not, make them cleaner but I'm definitely not for legalizing it.
This is a terrible argument. Girls don't grow up wanting to be motel maids either. Do you want all undesirable jobs outlawed? Additionally, you do realize that prostitution exists, despite it's current legal status, right? So, how does legalizing it go against your 'point'?
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Old 11-30-2018, 08:33 AM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Oh please. Legalizing prostitution will not make if safer for the women or men involved. But it will make it easier for the sex traffickers to continue hiding behind “willing” workers. How can we be so naive? Vested interests.
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Girls don't grow up wanting to be prostitutes. They just don't. It may, or may not, make them cleaner but I'm definitely not for legalizing it.
Better question is: how has keeping it illegal stopped the sex trafficking and reduced the risk for STDs? Obviously, both of you believe that people have no business to decide what to do with their own bodies or their own personal lives, and you think the government should be our babysitters. As Ronald Reagan once said: "government is not the solution to our problem, government IS the problem."
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Old 11-30-2018, 09:19 AM
 
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This is a terrible argument. Girls don't grow up wanting to be motel maids either. Do you want all undesirable jobs outlawed? Additionally, you do realize that prostitution exists, despite it's current legal status, right? So, how does legalizing it go against your 'point'?
It perpetuates the message that a women's worth comes from entertaining me sexually. Selling yourself, legally or not, in that manner can cause great shame, grief, trauma. I am so against it. You cannot win this argument. Think about having your daughter or son selling their body for profit. How can that not affect their self worth. It can't.
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Old 11-30-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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It perpetuates the message that a women's worth comes from entertaining me sexually. Selling yourself, legally or not, in that manner can cause great shame, grief, trauma. I am so against it. You cannot win this argument. Think about having your daughter or son selling their body for profit. How can that not affect their self worth. It can't.
What about the message that a woman's worth comes from cleaning a motel room toilet, for example? Can't that cause great shame? Why are you not against that sort of a degrading job? How can cleaning up strangers' urine and pubic hairs not affect their self worth?

Your argument only has merit if prohibiting prostitution eliminates it. It does not. Therefore, your pro-criminalization stance is baseless. As for the moral high-ground that you think that you're taking, either you are for making all demoralizing jobs illegal or none. Cherry-picking certain ones is just you meddling and pushing your views on others' decision making abilities.
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Old 11-30-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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It perpetuates the message that a women's worth comes from entertaining me sexually. Selling yourself, legally or not, in that manner can cause great shame, grief, trauma. I am so against it. You cannot win this argument. Think about having your daughter or son selling their body for profit. How can that not affect their self worth. It can't.
So the solution to that is: be a better parent and set guidelines for your kids if you are personally opposed to it. Don't rely on the government to raise somebody's kids or control what people do with their own bodies. Keeping it illegal won't stop women from entering the adult entertainment industry, won't stop the demand, won't reduce STDs, and won't stop the trafficking. We've already seen the evidence of this.
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:12 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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It perpetuates the message that a women's worth comes from entertaining me sexually. Selling yourself, legally or not, in that manner can cause great shame, grief, trauma. I am so against it. You cannot win this argument. Think about having your daughter or son selling their body for profit. How can that not affect their self worth. It can't.
You are cherry picking according to your bias.

There are many women that use their sexuality as a leverage and enjoy doing so...... It doesn't impact anyone else.. It is their right to choose to do so... Money shouldn't change that....

I happen to know many friends who are in sex work (feel free to search my previous posts). A few are like family to me. There are basic assumptions you are applying universally which is incorrect. How many do you know? Probably not many but you should acknowledge those assumptions and open your mind that not everyone shares your views or makes the same choices.

As for daughters... I would hope that my daughters have the ability to climb the ladder of success... But i reality it isn't going to happen to everyone. What I do want for her is to have the freedom to make choices for herself and decisions as a cosenting adult with domion over her own body free from the likes of you and government dictating her choices.

If she chooses to do sex work, I would be be just OK with it as long as it's her choice... No different than a son who makes a living cleaning toilets. I would have liked them to do better but I simply want them to have the right to makes those choices. It's not my right or anyone else to legistlate their choices.

What I want is comment sense labor laws that protect people's dominion over body and freedom of choice. If they want to sell sex, that's their choice... No one else should have a voice in that.

If you don't want your children exposed sex work, the only people that have any impact are parents... Stop blaming others and take an active role.


There are many other labor types that are common in human trafficking... Nanny, nail salons, restaurants, agriculture jobs, hospitality etc... All are legal... Except one.. Postitution... Treat the issue as a labor issue not a sex issue.

Ps. One person... A very close friend and dear to me, makes a very good living between escorting for a high end agency, web cam sex, modeling, and promotional work as a talent manager. . Earns Up in the six figures... Very sexual person in and outside of work. She of course is not the norm and I acknowledge is a corner case. But i ask... What about her rights?

For the record, I do not support pandering, pimping, nor street prostitution... All of which are forms of sex work that are difficult to assure right and domion over body...

Selling is legal, sex is legal. Why isnt selling sex legal? What does that imply...? You don't have to agree with peoples choices in order to stand up for the individual right to make choice.

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