Arizona is again, unhappily, #1 (home, school, live in)

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

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I had a slight case of COVID, as did my mother, my father, and my sister & brother in law. We were all vaccinated, and suffered only mild symptoms. Here again, the wise thing to do is to be vaccinated, but it should be by choice, and not a forced mandate.

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The vast majority of American citizens were not vaccinated due to "a forced mandate".

[YAZ]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

The vast majority of American citizens were not vaccinated due to "a forced mandate".

Yeah... only government employees, educators, McDonald's employees, Boeing, WalMart, nurses, American Express, Honeywell, and a vast minority of others.



Not really forced; just gotta find another job.

[roodd279]

a forced mandate

Our company services many industries, both domestic and international. If our clients say "You can't come in without a vaccine" - and you refuse to get one - then what good are you to me? If you want to call that a "forced mandate" - so be it. The alternative is - we close our doors, and we are ALL jobless, instead of just you.



Again - these are INTERNATIONAL clients - so whatever nutty-ness ya think we do in the USA - it was (much) worse in (many) other places. And it's not negotiable. You don't get to whine about it and say, "Oh Fauci is a quack."

Because their response is: "Who's Fauci?" Except not in English.

[KurtAZ]

Oh lord are we on this again?

Everyone has stories for or against the attempted forcible application of an experimental "Vaccine" that was supposed to help keep .01% of the population out of the hospital. The whole idea of a vaccine is to keep you from contracting the virus it is intended to protect you from. None of the C19 "vaccines" did this, they told you this in the beginning, you could still get the virus, carry it, distribute it, only now you think you are protected and more lackadaisical about your approach to going out...which potentially spread the virus more...lots of variables in there. The "unvaccinated" are not spreading this virus any more than vaccinated people are. It just spreads like any other virus that can get you sick.

Moreover, people lost their jobs, businesses and loved ones to this outbreak and it is a little selfish to blame others for their choice in vaccination or not. Deaths have continued to be reported through 2021 and 2022 at about the same rate despite over 200M people in the US "fully vaccinated"...and it isn't just killing the "unvaccinated" so...explain that one.

[WanderingRebel]

Originally Posted by KurtAZ

Oh lord are we on this again?

Everyone has stories for or against the attempted forcible application of an experimental "Vaccine" that was supposed to help keep .01% of the population out of the hospital. The whole idea of a vaccine is to keep you from contracting the virus it is intended to protect you from. None of the C19 "vaccines" did this, they told you this in the beginning, you could still get the virus, carry it, distribute it, only now you think you are protected and more lackadaisical about your approach to going out...which potentially spread the virus more...lots of variables in there. The "unvaccinated" are not spreading this virus any more than vaccinated people are. It just spreads like any other virus that can get you sick.

Moreover, people lost their jobs, businesses and loved ones to this outbreak and it is a little selfish to blame others for their choice in vaccination or not. Deaths have continued to be reported through 2021 and 2022 at about the same rate despite over 200M people in the US "fully vaccinated"...and it isn't just killing the "unvaccinated" so...explain that one.

But wait, I thought The Big Guy told us this was a "pandemic of the unvaccinated."

[roodd279]

None of the C19 "vaccines" did this

Of course they did - and they reduced the severity of those that got it anyway.


1. If you thought it meant it stops ALL cases in ALL people ALL the time - that "misunderstanding" is entirely yours.
2. If you think it helped no one - there's a giant - giant - pile of data that says otherwise, while you have zero data to back up your case.

[Hschlick84]

The OP wants us to be stuck permanently in 2020.

[JPrzybylski07]

Seriously people need to move on. That’s fine if you still want to live in fear and drive alone with 3 masks on or just hide in your basement all day, but for the rest of us we don’t give a crap anymore.

This was a pandemic of the unhealthy to begin with. No one should get any pity if they are already overweight, eat like crap, don’t sleep and then get really sick from Covid.

[KurtAZ]

Originally Posted by roodd279

None of the C19 "vaccines" did this

Of course they did - and they reduced the severity of those that got it anyway.


1. If you thought it meant it stops ALL cases in ALL people ALL the time - that "misunderstanding" is entirely yours.
2. If you think it helped no one - there's a giant - giant - pile of data that says otherwise, while you have zero data to back up your case.

Kinda getting off topic here but, no, you are incorrect. The CDC et al said from the very beginning concerning the vaccines that they were intended to keep you out of the hospital (to reduce the strain on the medical system) and reduce the severity of an infection. Not protect you from contracting the virus. They even warned people about it but the MSM reported that it was supposed to stop infection, which is completely wrong. Unlike actual vaccines against Measles/Mumps/Chicken Pox which actually prevent the disease, this round was solely meant for you to not get seriously ill. Due to the nature of the virus...there probably isn't any way to stop from getting infected...and I feel like we should have focused on good treatment options first and foremost (but the medical facilities were getting overwhelmed and people where dying) but hindsight is always 20/20.

CDC's Website

Benefits of Getting A COVID-19 Vaccine
Updated Dec. 22, 2022


What You Need to Know
There are many benefits of getting vaccinated against COVID-19.

Prevents serious illness: COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States are safe and effective at protecting people from getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying.
A safer way to build protection: Getting a COVID-19 vaccine is a safer, more reliable way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19.
Offers added protection: COVID-19 vaccines can offer added protection to people who had COVID-19, including protection against being hospitalized from a new infection.
How to be best protected: As with vaccines for other diseases, people are best protected when they stay up to date with the recommended number of doses, including bivalent boosters, when eligible.

[WanderingRebel]

Originally Posted by JPrzybylski07

Seriously people need to move on. That’s fine if you still want to live in fear and drive alone with 3 masks on or just hide in your basement all day, but for the rest of us we don’t give a crap anymore.

This was a pandemic of the unhealthy to begin with. No one should get any pity if they are already overweight, eat like crap, don’t sleep and then get really sick from Covid.

I don't really want to move on until the people that are responsible for this are held accountable. The people who shut down businesses, the people who fired people for not getting the vaccine, etc. All need to be held accountable for what I consider to be crimes against humanity.