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Old 01-10-2023, 08:11 AM
 
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Those are the reporting agencies. They’re not the data sources. It doesn’t matter what I source though. You’ll think they’re in on some evil plot to scam the rubes. That’s how the paranoia manifests.
You don't get that the reporting agencies lied. You seriously didn't hear any stories about people dying of heart attacks that got reported as Covid? The hospitals have even admitted it. We all know people it happened to. It was about the $$.

But no matter as you say.

 
Old 01-10-2023, 08:20 AM
 
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You don't get that the reporting agencies lied. You seriously didn't hear any stories about people dying of heart attacks that got reported as Covid? The hospitals have even admitted it. We all know people it happened to. It was about the $$.

But no matter as you say.
There’s no conspiracy. It’s impossible for you to accept, but there isn’t one.
 
Old 01-10-2023, 08:25 AM
 
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There’s no conspiracy. It’s impossible for you to accept, but there isn’t one.
Ahhh, ok, of course you must be right. I hate to put people on ignore on any forum I frequent, but I make exceptions for people that are so intransigent and unable to think outside their tiny box. G'bye.
 
Old 01-10-2023, 08:57 AM
 
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Ahhh, ok, of course you must be right. I hate to put people on ignore on any forum I frequent, but I make exceptions for people that are so intransigent and unable to think outside their tiny box. G'bye.
Just because you repeat a bunch of conspiracy theory talking points doesn’t mean they’re true. The basis for your argument is incorrect information and you’re not open to considering that it may not be correct.
 
Old 01-10-2023, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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I'm not interested in a) anything the CDC has to say.... They lied to us enough enough already, either because of ignorance or power trip.... b) any death numbers until we get an actual number of deaths. Real deaths. We all know there were many, many deaths that were not caused by Covid that were attributed to Covid by greedy hospitals and a power hungry government...
If you haven't watched it, go watch "Dopesick" about the Oxy crisis and see just how corrupt the FDA, CDC and Big Pharma really are. Maybe amend your last sentence with "greedy hospitals, corrupt and greedy Big Pharma and power hungry governments" cause all the companies that manufactured these "vaccines" made BILLIONS in tax payer dollars.

I agree with you on both points with a caveat...the actual "Death" numbers are a combination of people that died from C19 only (very low) along with the numbers of C19 as a "contributing factor" i.e. they had pre-existing conditions. My uncle was in the hospital already with Stage 4 Lung Cancer when he passed away. He became infected in the hospital with C19 so guess what...they called it a C19 death. My sister's FIL had advanced emphysema and breathing problems. His Dr. in PA had him on Hydroxychloroquine, which is also used to treat a number of other issues, not necessarily C19 (My wife is on it for her Lupus) but he got sick while visiting family in CA. They wouldn't even allow the drug into the hospital even though it was prescribed. He passed...C19 death.

Until they get the numbers correctly sorted out...which they won't cause too many heads will roll...I will maintain that the powers that be destroyed people's lives, businesses, careers and mental health for a virus that was deadly to a miniscule portion of the population.
 
Old 01-10-2023, 09:11 AM
 
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None of that is true. Here is the actual CDC guidance on reporting COVID deaths. Spoiler, it doesn't align with the conspiracy theories of "my fat uncle with stage 4 cancer got hit by a bus and they said COVID killed him."

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
 
Old 01-10-2023, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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We don’t all know that because we are not all paranoid conspiracy theorists. The general consensus is that COVID deaths have actually been underreported.

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...19-death-toll/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ounted-experts

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...dc/6435124001/
That is correct.
 
Old 01-10-2023, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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You don't get that the reporting agencies lied. You seriously didn't hear any stories about people dying of heart attacks that got reported as Covid? The hospitals have even admitted it. We all know people it happened to. It was about the $$.

But no matter as you say.
But you don't have sources that are even that good.

You want government to fail.
 
Old 01-10-2023, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Queen Creek, AZ
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But you don't have sources that are even that good.

You want government to fail.
The government that exists today would have our Founding Father's rolling in their graves. This is not what was intended when young men went to die for our freedom during the Revolutionary War. What we have now is a self-serving, bloated bureaucracy. How do you defend that?

Maybe it does need to fail, so it can be built back the way it was intended.
 
Old 01-10-2023, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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The government that exists today would have our Founding Father's rolling in their graves. This is not what was intended when young men went to die for our freedom during the Revolutionary War. What we have now is a self-serving, bloated bureaucracy. How do you defend that?

Maybe it does need to fail, so it can be built back the way it was intended.
Convention of States is trying to do just that.
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