Arizona is again, unhappily, #1 (fit in, salon, 2015)

[Voebe]

Arizona is officially Number 1 in highest number of covid deaths.


Arizona now has the highest COVID-19 death rate of any state
https://kjzz.org/content/1834465/ari...rate-any-state

[roodd279]

Gotta let this stuff go. Math isn't your friend in these circumstances.



Based on that criteria - if 400 more people die of COVID in New Mexico, then THEY will be the new #1.


And if 600 fewer people had died in Arizona, you'd be down at #8 or #9.


There's no rhyme or reason to it - no reason to hang your head - or later on, to gloat. It's equal opportunity tragedy.


Plenty of reasons, too: Would it surprise you to know that the top-3 biggest cities in Az have more people than the top EIGHT cities in Florida? Goes to population density and distribution - you may think of FL as a crowded mess, but the truth is - statistically - in the way that matters to COVID - AZ is more crowded. Just dumb luck and geography, not related to habits, or politics, or magical potions.


1. AZ has a few crowded cities, and a smaller overall population, so the per-capita thing is gonna be higher.
2. Overall, it's a small-ish number (no less tragic) - so a few deaths either way make all the difference.


Hang in there. Let it go. It's time to move on, and accept COVID like the flu. Whatever you did with the flu in 2015 or 2010 or 2005 - do it for COVID now. It's not "nothing." But the time for constant stress and fretting is behind you.


2023. The year COVID moved outta the top spot in the news for good.

[jdhpa]

Originally Posted by roodd279

Gotta let this stuff go. Math isn't your friend in these circumstances.



Based on that criteria - if 400 more people die of COVID in New Mexico, then THEY will be the new #1.


And if 600 fewer people had died in Arizona, you'd be down at #8 or #9.


There's no rhyme or reason to it - no reason to hang your head - or later on, to gloat. It's equal opportunity tragedy.


Plenty of reasons, too: Would it surprise you to know that the top-3 biggest cities in Az have more people than the top EIGHT cities in Florida? Goes to population density and distribution - you may think of FL as a crowded mess, but the truth is - statistically - in the way that matters to COVID - AZ is more crowded. Just dumb luck and geography, not related to habits, or politics, or magical potions.


1. AZ has a few crowded cities, and a smaller overall population, so the per-capita thing is gonna be higher.
2. Overall, it's a small-ish number (no less tragic) - so a few deaths either way make all the difference.


Hang in there. Let it go. It's time to move on, and accept COVID like the flu. Whatever you did with the flu in 2015 or 2010 or 2005 - do it for COVID now. It's not "nothing." But the time for constant stress and fretting is behind you.


2023. The year COVID moved outta the top spot in the news for good.

Very well said. Even China has capitulated on the covid lock down craziness. Unfortunately, since they've been so successful at keeping covid from spreading, they are basically no better off to deal with it than they were at the beginning. They endured 3 years of intense lock downs with their zero covid policy, and now they're going to face the exact same consequences as they would have 3 years ago had they not gone the lock down route. They're no better off at all for having delayed it 3 years.

If China had vaccines they would at least be somewhat better off, but their own vaccines are ineffective, and they have refused to buy western vaccines without being given the IP to make the vaccines themselves (which Pfizer, et. al., have refused so far). So they have no vaccines, and because of their zero covid policy they have no natural immunity, either. They are basically still living in March 2020, and they're experiencing the same health outcomes the US did 3 years ago. They're getting no benefit at all from their lock down policies, just 3 years of extra suffering.

The state China is in right now is where the U.S. would be if the lock down proponents had gotten their way throughout the country. We're only better off, and able to move on, because the lock down proponents largely failed. And where they did get their way, all they managed to do was destroy local businesses for no long term benefit in health outcomes.

If the lock down proponents would admit they were wrong, and commit to not making the same mistake in the future, that would at least take the edge off of the pain their lock down madness caused. But I'm not holding my breath.

[Burning Madolf]

As is often the case these days, (somewhat) sensational headline followed by very little substance or nuance.

[YAZ]

Well, I'm just glad that we're not clearly #1 with covid deaths, because we all know the numbers were manipulated.

My hat is off to Mayor Kate Gallego though. Because if she didn't shut down public BBQ grills, there's no telling where our numbers would be.

She's right there with Guv'na Whitmer of Michigan. She saved countless lives shutting down golf and motor boats. Brilliant.

Tennis is OK. Paint aisle at Home Depot? Not OK.

The majority of Americans didn't "Trust the Science." The majority trusted the talking heads on TV.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by jdhpa

If the lock down proponents would admit they were wrong, and commit to not making the same mistake in the future, that would at least take the edge off of the pain their lock down madness caused. But I'm not holding my breath.

The problem is that the ones pushing the lockdowns (the so called "experts") will never admit they were wrong. There were posters here on this forum back in 2020 who were so insistent on sheltering in place, and forcing businesses to close or restrict their services that they couldn't see how devastating this was in the big picture. Many small businesses had to permanently close ... and the worst part is: none of that excessive government overreach did ONE DAMN THING to stop the spread of the virus.

Arizona was one of the hardest hit states as far as number of cases, but the causes were more associated with our climatic conditions. Unfortunately, the COVID outbreak was going to occur regardless if we kept everything open or not. The effects of the lockdowns caused more hardship & distress than the effects of the virus itself. I find it pretty scary that the government could get away with implementing such draconian mandates on the public. They completely go against the principles which the U.S. was founded on!

[YAZ]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

The problem is that the ones pushing the lockdowns (the so called "experts") will never admit they were wrong. There were posters here on this forum back in 2020 who were so insistent on sheltering in place, and forcing businesses to close or restrict their services that they couldn't see how devastating this was in the big picture. Many small businesses had to permanently close ... and the worst part is: none of that excessive government overreach did ONE DAMN THING to stop the spread of the virus.

Arizona was one of the hardest hit states as far as number of cases, but the causes were more associated with our climatic conditions. Unfortunately, the COVID outbreak was going to occur regardless if we kept everything open or not. The effects of the lockdowns caused more hardship & distress than the effects of the virus itself. I find it pretty scary that the government could get away with implementing such draconian mandates on the public. They completely go against the principles which the U.S. was founded on!

Keep in mind....our Hispanic population got butt-slammed. Not necessarily because of the income disparity (part of it was).

An incredible sense of family, with three generations in a home not uncommon.

Locked up at home for months.

Two people got it, chances are....everyone gets it.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by YAZ

Keep in mind....our Hispanic population got butt-slammed. Not necessarily because of the income disparity (part of it was).

An incredible sense of family, with three generations in a home not uncommon.

Locked up at home for months.

Two people got it, chances are....everyone gets it.

I understand a lot of people were affected. Sadly, there were those who greatly suffered, and some lost their lives. Many others, however, had symptoms similar to the common cold, and some people were never sick at all. There was no legitimate reason to force businesses to shut down, and make everybody stay sheltered to where they couldn't even go to a fitness center to exercise, or to a salon for a haircut. Many restaurants heavily restricted their menu items to unhealthier choices. It was nearly impossible to find salmon & fresh vegetables for a while (let alone paper products in the stores). The reaction by our government & certain individuals was purely kneejerk & excessive. Lots of stupid mistakes were made ... too many to list in one post.

[grmi66]

Originally Posted by YAZ

Keep in mind....our Hispanic population got butt-slammed. Not necessarily because of the income disparity (part of it was).

An incredible sense of family, with three generations in a home not uncommon.

Locked up at home for months.

Two people got it, chances are....everyone gets it.

I don't know if there is anything to this, but I caught Valley Fever four years ago and had a pretty bad case of it. Ended up becoming fairly active on some Valley Fever message boards and Facebook groups looking for ways to deal with it. What I discovered online is that 60% of the people don't have many symptoms, think they have a bronchial infection for a couple of days and the Valley Fever disappears. I was in the 30% where I was severely sick for a month, almost hospitalized and it took me about a year to bounce back. Then for 10% it brings on a lifetime of disability, hospital stays and often death. What I noticed is that the people online that perished from Valley Fever almost always had an Hispanic last name. Is there a genetic cause the predisposes that population to lung problems?

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

I understand a lot of people were affected. Sadly, there were those who greatly suffered, and some lost their lives. Many others, however, had symptoms similar to the common cold, and some people were never sick at all. There was no legitimate reason to force businesses to shut down, and make everybody stay sheltered to where they couldn't even go to a fitness center to exercise, or to a salon for a haircut. Many restaurants heavily restricted their menu items to unhealthier choices. It was nearly impossible to find salmon & fresh vegetables for a while (let alone paper products in the stores). The reaction by our government & certain individuals was purely kneejerk & excessive. Lots of stupid mistakes were made ... too many to list in one post.

You folks need to quit making this all political.

Covid cases in Arizona = 2.38 million
Covid deaths in Arizona = 32,182

Covid cases in US = 100 million
Covid deaths in US = 1.1 million

Only heart disease and cancer killed more people.

This was a once in a century pandemic. When that happens, life cannot go on as usual. And even today, in large part due to the number of people not fully vaccinated, waits at Banner ERs this week are sometimes as long as 10 hours just to be seen. You unvaccinated people are killing people and causing others great suffering because of your foolish politics.