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Old 01-15-2009, 07:08 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Lawmakers propose ban on Ariz. highway speed cameras

Mega kudos to Sam Crump, who has sponsored the bill! He seems to be one of the few politicians who has some common sense, and is willing to listen to what the many opponents of photo radar are saying. The way I see it, outgoing Governor Napolitano overstepped her bounds by authorizing this ridiculous speed camera program ... so now it's up to the members of the Legislature to undo it. If it passes in the Legislature, it would be in the best interest of incoming Governor Jan Brewer to sign it into law.

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Old 01-15-2009, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Lawmakers propose ban on Ariz. highway speed cameras

Mega kudos to Sam Crump, who has sponsored the bill! He seems to be one of the few politicians who has some common sense, and is willing to listen to what the many opponents of photo radar are saying. The way I see it, outgoing Governor Napolitano overstepped her bounds by authorizing this ridiculous speed camera program ... so now it's up to the members of the Legislature to undo it. If it passes in the Legislature, it would be in the best interest of incoming Governor Jan Brewer to sign it into law.

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Photo radar in my opinion is one of the biggest shakedown programs ever taken by the government to drive up their revenue. It's a little like the police arresting you because someone was murdered on the sidewalk outside your home....since you're the registered homeowner, you're guilty unless you can find and prove somebody else did it. So, basically they are forcing you to do the policeman's work for him/her.

They always talk about it being all about public safety...very lofty talk, but if you look at the revenue gain you'll see it's really about money. I've seen studies where they show that "T-bone accidents at photo radar intersections are reduced....but rear end collisions increase by more than the reductions in t-bone accidents. One can argue which type of accident results in more injuries.....but until you've been rear ended by someone going 30 or 40 miles an hour behind you (ostensibly to beat the red light)....don't be so sure that whiplash is no big deal.

It's just more big government shredding your ability to face your accuser so they can shake you down for more money....and if you're innocent it's up to you to prove it. Kinda seems unamerican to have to prove your innocent doesn't it ? How did we get to this point when the burden of proof is on you ?
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:47 PM
 
Location: galaxy far far away
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Mixed feelings. Want those morons going 110 mph on the freeways at 3 am to get busted. Also want to be able to speed up to change lanes without getting laser tagged. Having slightly varying speeds on the freeway allows for easy on and off, and easy lane changes. When everyone is going the exact same limit because of a camera, it screws up the flow.

I don't mind red light cameras if they would fix them for the legal left turns after a stop. The red lights are all screwy in AZ. Why they don't automatically have left turn lights AFTER the straight ahead lights everywhere is a mystery to me.

But when I moved here, 7th Street and Bell was the HIGHEST accident intersection in the US. That photo radar needs to live there permanently. It has really helped. One flash and everyone within four blocks slows down and obeys the lights. For awhile anyway.
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Old 01-16-2009, 08:05 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Mixed feelings. Want those morons going 110 mph on the freeways at 3 am to get busted.
So do I ... which is why I favor more DPS officers on patrol instead of those intimidating robots spewing out tickets for driving a few miles over the speed limit. Cops can pull over and ARREST the excessive speed demons, whereas cameras can't. Most officers will only pull over and cite the fastest of the fast. These speed cameras make criminals out of everyone who drives a little fast (and the majority of people DO exceed the speed limit to some degree).

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Also want to be able to speed up to change lanes without getting laser tagged. Having slightly varying speeds on the freeway allows for easy on and off, and easy lane changes. When everyone is going the exact same limit because of a camera, it screws up the flow.
Absolutely! That's why there is a law that basically states the left lane is reserved for faster traffic (or those who use it for passing), and the right lanes are for slower traffic. When everybody is driving slow in all lanes of traffic, that is a violation of Arizona law. The sad thing is the law about slow drivers staying to the right is seldom enforced. The trend these days seems wanting to nab those bad ol' speeders who have to be somewhere.

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I don't mind red light cameras if they would fix them for the legal left turns after a stop. The red lights are all screwy in AZ. Why they don't automatically have left turn lights AFTER the straight ahead lights everywhere is a mystery to me.
I also tend to favor the red light cameras because running red lights IS excessively dangerous, and a cause for many serious accidents. Speed is not the cause of accidents. In fact, the slowpokes who dawdle and/or multi task while driving are more likely to cause accidents than the faster, attentive ones. I know this because I've had a few near misses ... all of which were the result of inattentive SLOW drivers!
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Old 01-17-2009, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Arnold, Missouri
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Default How long has Az. had the cameras,

For me living in Mo. in certain cities are just getting these and they think it is of their opting for them. Not to say that the cameras were in place in other cities for longer than here in Mo. I think at red lights its a must to have for like what was quoted rear enders are worse than fast driving. To some here in Mo. they think that it was Mo. who got it started in the first place.
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Old 01-17-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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I just drove the I-10 from Goodyear into town this morning and these freaking cameras are every two miles. Others have posted that for everyone to go the same speed it messes up traffic flow. I agree. I used to drive without any anxiety. I could handle whatever I needed and go with the flow. Now, I have to gauge where the cameras are in relation to my location, deal with everyone going the same speed making it nearly impossible to change lanes in a hurry, and try to get to the exit before it's too late. How is this an improvement? I hate it with every fiber of my being! It has reduced the quality of life here in my opinion. I don't want to drive in MY town and get filmed everywhere I go just so I can "be safe". BS.

I drive SR51 most of the time. Going 65mph its whole distance was not a problem as everyone else did the same. No anxiety. But now, every roadway is a white knuckle drive because I don't want to pay $180 to some camera Nazi, I have to watch out for people speeding up between cameras and slamming the brakes when they pass them by. This is NOT safety. I felt safe before the cameras. Now I'm thinking of moving away.

Where can I or anyone else go to support removing this surveillance from our lives? I'd gladly give $180 to the cause.

Edit: and don't go thinking I'm some raging commuter. I walk to work. My biggest beef is that people pay $2000 a year on car insurance yet somehow can't figure out what their turn signals are for! Duh! Wouldn't you like to pay less in insurance knowing that all the drivers knew how to drive? I say make driver's licenses cost about $800 and then let's see how good everyone starts driving and watch insurance rates drop. In other words, use a turn signal and save money!
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Old 01-18-2009, 01:55 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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I drive SR51 most of the time. Going 65mph its whole distance was not a problem as everyone else did the same. No anxiety. But now, every roadway is a white knuckle drive because I don't want to pay $180 to some camera Nazi, I have to watch out for people speeding up between cameras and slamming the brakes when they pass them by. This is NOT safety. I felt safe before the cameras. Now I'm thinking of moving away.
Agreed completely! The sections of the 51 freeway where these cameras are established have even more erratic drivers than before. Prior to installtion of the cameras, the 51 was relatively easy driving (during non rush hour times) ... but now, people drive slow in the left lanes to avoid the flash. Or even worse, they slam on their brakes and drive UNDER the limit when they spot the cameras. It's not about safety by any stretch of the imagination. If the state was truly concerned about safety, they would put more DPS officers on patrol. This is all about collecting revenue to pay down a massive state budget deficit!

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Where can I or anyone else go to support removing this surveillance from our lives? I'd gladly give $180 to the cause.
You can write to incoming Governor Jan Brewer, your state Representative ... or join Camera Fraud.
CameraFRAUD.com - The Cameras are Coming Down
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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I don't mind red light cameras if they would fix them for the legal left turns after a stop. The red lights are all screwy in AZ. Why they don't automatically have left turn lights AFTER the straight ahead lights everywhere is a mystery to me.
I could be wrong, but I believe having left turns FIRST is considered safer for the driver turning left... No bozos going 55+ from the opposite direction trying to beat the light.
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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My biggest beef is that people pay $2000 a year on car insurance ...
2000 a year on car insurance?? wholy krap. I pay about 800 for 2 cars here in Florida.

Is 2k a year the average on a basic car?
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Old 01-20-2009, 07:33 AM
 
Location: USA
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2000 a year on car insurance?? wholy krap. I pay about 800 for 2 cars here in Florida.

Is 2k a year the average on a basic car?

Believe it. I moved here and my car insurance doubled.
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