02-07-2011, 10:17 PM
Location: Fayetteville
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The problem in Fort Smith is complex, but this is one huge part of it. Every time the opportunity comes (which is not very often) for a large new development bringing jobs, shopping, or entertainment to Fort Smith, city leaders and residents do nothing but whine about it. You should have seen the drama that preceded the building of the Target shopping center. In other cities, a Target shopping center wouldn't have been any big deal but people in Fort Smith were up in arms about it. Then there was the Toyota plant, the minor league baseball stadium, the sports complex, the casino, the IBM plant, etc, all wanted to invest in Fort Smith but the city told them no. The fact that the city would offer no incentive for 600 jobs to locate in Phoenix Village Mall says a lot. The bottom line is the city is run by a good ole' boy network that has been in the area for multiple generations, and until that network is out of power, the town is going to keep declining further and further towards complete irrelevance.
It wasn't the city of Fort Smith that was against Target moving in, it was the people who lived right next to it. They raised a stink and then somebody vandalized a lot of construction equipment and I doubt it was mayor Baker.
I would have voted for the sports complex if I knew "sports complex" was a codename for a baseball stadium.
Toyota plant? Fort Smith wishes it could get a Toyota plant.
I don't like the way the casino was handled, that was a missed opportunity.
IBM
I don't know about not offering incentives for the new call center, all I know is that ArkansasSlim said hey did you hear about the 600 jobs at Phoenix village.
If they didn't offer them incentives I guess it was a good call as apparently it wasn't necessary.
02-07-2011, 10:48 PM
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Fort smith is the way that it is because the people in the position to change it want it this way...I don't know why.
I would like to see thme build a giant mall. Most people that I know don't shop in Ft. Smith because there is just not that great of selection...so we are just seeing money leave the city.
02-08-2011, 10:15 AM
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Fort smith is the way that it is because the people in the position to change it want it this way...I don't know why.
I would like to see thme build a giant mall. Most people that I know don't shop in Ft. Smith because there is just not that great of selection...so we are just seeing money leave the city.
Simon Properties tried to build a super-regional mall in Little Rock but most in the city were against it and it was eventually defeated. I doubt it would go over well in Ft Smith. Central Mall is big enough for a town the size of Fort Smith they just need to bring in some new stores.
02-08-2011, 10:52 AM
Location: Quapaw Quarter, Little Rock
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really? bummer! that's the first I've heard of it. where did you learn of it?
02-08-2011, 12:13 PM
Location: Chicago, IL
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really? bummer! that's the first I've heard of it. where did you learn of it?
This was a while ago. It was going to be called Summit Mall and was planned to be built where Shackleford Crossings now stands. I'm not so sure it's a bummer- the opposition to Summit was so strong not
just due to opposing the development of that plot of land (or Shackleford Crossings wouldn't have been able to get underway so quickly after the Summit project was withdrawn), but also because of Simon's neglect of its existing properties in Central Arkansas. They ran University Mall into the ground and are now letting McCain become tired and unappealing- a lot of people didn't want them building a brand new mall in West Little Rock when they weren't taking care of their existing properties. Personally, I think Simon's pattern of building a mall, ignoring it to the point where it is no longer cost-effective to save, and then building a new mall and abandoning the old property (which is what was obviously about to happen with University Mall when Summit was being discussed) is bad for the cities they locate in and I don't mind that Summit didn't happen. McCain still has a lot of potential if they'd give it even a decent remodel and possibly an expansion, but I'm not holding my breath.
02-08-2011, 12:45 PM
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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This was a while ago. It was going to be called Summit Mall and was planned to be built where Shackleford Crossings now stands. I'm not so sure it's a bummer- the opposition to Summit was so strong not just due to opposing the development of that plot of land (or Shackleford Crossings wouldn't have been able to get underway so quickly after the Summit project was withdrawn), but also because of Simon's neglect of its existing properties in Central Arkansas. They ran University Mall into the ground and are now letting McCain become tired and unappealing- a lot of people didn't want them building a brand new mall in West Little Rock when they weren't taking care of their existing properties. Personally, I think Simon's pattern of building a mall, ignoring it to the point where it is no longer cost-effective to save, and then building a new mall and abandoning the old property (which is what was obviously about to happen with University Mall when Summit was being discussed) is bad for the cities they locate in and I don't mind that Summit didn't happen. McCain still has a lot of potential if they'd give it even a decent remodel and possibly an expansion, but I'm not holding my breath.
While I agree Simon's pattern of neglecting it's older properties and building new is bad business, University Mall was doomed whether Summit was built or not, and instead of the mall being built a strip center anchored by a Wal-Mart Supercenter ended up in it's place. I can't really say that's a better alternative than having a super-regional mall that could have attracted retailers to Arkansas that as is wouldn't even consider locating in the state.
02-08-2011, 02:32 PM
Location: Chicago, IL
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While I agree Simon's pattern of neglecting it's older properties and building new is bad business, University Mall was doomed whether Summit was built or not, and instead of the mall being built a strip center anchored by a Wal-Mart Supercenter ended up in it's place. I can't really say that's a better alternative than having a super-regional mall that could have attracted retailers to Arkansas that as is wouldn't even consider locating in the state.
I don't feel the Shackleford Crossings "power center" is a better alternative either, but I don't think Summit and Simon would have brought in anyone new or even that exciting, honestly. Places like Pottery Barn, Container Store, Anthropologie, XXI, etc. all located, or committed to locate in Midtown/Park Plaza/Chenal while the Summit mess was still going on, so I don't see Summit having brought anyone bigger/more exciting. The only things I can think of that Summit
might have given us a fighting chance for is a Macy's (Nordstrom's is a pipe-dream at this population level), and I doubt even that would have materialized due to the Dillard's stranglehold. I think we'd have ended up with the same stores we already have, just in a different location if Summit had materialized. There's no reason that the money/investment that they didn't put into Summit couldn't be put into McCain to expand and finish it out to a premier retail destination and still potentially attract those kind of stores. Park Plaza proved that redeveloping a mall in Central Arkansas and moving it a bit upmarket can work if you're committed and do it right, but I don't see that kind of commitment from Simon.
02-08-2011, 03:39 PM
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Simon Properties tried to build a super-regional mall in Little Rock but most in the city were against it and it was eventually defeated. I doubt it would go over well in Ft Smith. Central Mall is big enough for a town the size of Fort Smith they just need to bring in some new stores.
Central Mall is big enough for the size of Fort Smith, but if you want to attact people from outside of Fort Smith you are going to need something bigger. Most people that I know go to Dallas, Tulsa, or Fayetteville to do any real shopping.
02-08-2011, 08:17 PM
Location: Texarkana
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The problem in Fort Smith is complex, but this is one huge part of it. Every time the opportunity comes (which is not very often) for a large new development bringing jobs, shopping, or entertainment to Fort Smith, city leaders and residents do nothing but whine about it. You should have seen the drama that preceded the building of the Target shopping center. In other cities, a Target shopping center wouldn't have been any big deal but people in Fort Smith were up in arms about it. Then there was the Toyota plant, the minor league baseball stadium, the sports complex, the casino, the IBM plant, etc, all wanted to invest in Fort Smith but the city told them no. The fact that the city would offer no incentive for 600 jobs to locate in Phoenix Village Mall says a lot. The bottom line is the city is run by a good ole' boy network that has been in the area for multiple generations, and until that network is out of power, the town is going to keep declining further and further towards complete irrelevance.
Man that's a damn shame! Smdh at the city turning down IBM and Toyota, just insane to me.
02-08-2011, 08:36 PM
Location: Fayetteville
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Man that's a damn shame! Smdh at the city turning down IBM and Toyota, just insane to me.
Fort Smith did not turn down a Toyota plant
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They spent millions to get Mitsubishi power systems to locate here.
IBM
I don't even know where he's getting some of this stuff.
They did chase a river casino out of town.
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People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)