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Old 06-20-2016, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Absolutely no one in the Midwest thinks of Arkansas as a Midwestern state. And when I lived in Arkansas, I never met a local who identified as Midwestern. They thought of me and my family as yankees.
well you didn't live in NWA then. Most people here do think of our culture, not location as being closer to Midwest and a lot of people in MO, specially those in Southern part of the state see very little difference between their way of life and ours. Again, I think people are taking out of the this question what they want. Everyone knows technically AR is part of the south, but not necessarily in attitude if you get further north. You lived in Jonesboro, that is a totally different part of the state and yes, attitudes are very southern. I think the maps, posted tell the story very clearly. Ok, so you say, it is administrational, regardless you can see how AR is grouped.

Let's just say: living in AR offers the best of both worlds. We are a little bit southern, a little bit Midwestern and we are very proud to live here for that reason as well as many other reasons.

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Old 06-20-2016, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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well you didn't live in NWA then. Most people here do think of our culture, not location as being closer to Midwest and a lot of people in MO, specially those in Southern part of the state see very little difference between their way of life and ours. Again, I think people are taking out of the this question what they want. Everyone knows technically AR is part of the south, but not necessarily in attitude if you get further north. You lived in Jonesboro, that is a totally different part of the state and yes, attitudes are very southern. I think the maps, posted tell the story very clearly. Ok, so you say, it is administrational, regardless you can see how AR is grouped.

Let's just say: living in AR offers the best of both worlds. We are a little bit southern, a little bit Midwestern and we are very proud to live here for that reason as well as many other reasons.
Please give me an example of how folks in northern Arkansas are more Midwestern in attitude.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:14 AM
 
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Many of y'all are comparing apples and oranges: geographic location vs. cultural differences, native Arkansans vs. recent transplants, and so on.

Geographically, Arkansas is unquestionably Southern. Culturally, it is traditionally Southern, but the many recent Northern and other transplants from outside the South noted by Mnita have brought their own folk-ways with them and that influence continues within that portion of the population and in their immediate vicinity, notably in NWA. They are welcome additions, for the most part, minus those who insist on negatively comparing their new home with their old ones. That attitude is not helpful anywhere. Thankfully, these cranks are a minority and most transplants are delighted with what they find in Arkansas and settle in well. They may think of themselves as new Arkansans, but I expect few of them would term themselves "Southern".

But I'll warrant you that the old Arkansas families who've lived in NWA for many generations still think of themselves - rightfully - as both Arkansans and Southerners.

As for cooking, I discovered the Ole Sawmill Restaurant in Forrest City during my recent trip to Arkansas - oh, man, it took me back to the Christmases when my grandmother's kitchen benefitted by the family's best cooks: Grandmother, my mother, and my aunts and older cousins (I was the youngest grandchild).

The Ole Sawmill is family-owned, operates a set-price buffet in addition to having menu offerings, and sells a few antiques as well. I opted for the buffet - SIX vegetables wound up on my plate, including wonderful Arkansas-grown rice, prepared just right - not sticky at all, not too salty, just the right amount of butter - delicious candied yams, green beans with a little ham hock, corn off the cob, and more. I skipped the salad bar other than for a slice or two of tomato, to save room for all those vegetables and for dessert, which was hot banana pudding with soft-serve ice cream on top.

It was wonderful. A little different from my own family tradition, which would have included produce from my grandfather's extensive garden and small orchard, but close enough. Some of those nostalgic tastes and flavors brought tears to my eyes; they were that good. Nothing like homestyle Southern cooking. Please note: while fried foods were available at the Ole Sawmill, I ate nothing fried and still feasted, Southern-style...

Did I mention the peach stand nearby, with fresh locally-grown Arkansas peaches from atop Crowley's Ridge? I am still enjoying the last of those. It will be several weeks before we have peaches of that quality available here in Upper-South Kentucky.

All Southern. Unquestionably Southern.

And if anyone thinks NWA and its ways are no longer part of the South, I'd direct you to Springdale's original AQ Chicken House, still going strong after all these years...
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains Arkansas
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Many of y'all are comparing apples and oranges: geographic location vs. cultural differences, native Arkansans vs. recent transplants, and so on.

Geographically, Arkansas is unquestionably Southern. Culturally, it is traditionally Southern, but the many recent Northern and other transplants from outside the South noted by Mnita have brought their own folk-ways with them and that influence continues within that portion of the population and in their immediate vicinity, notably in NWA. They are welcome additions, for the most part, minus those who insist on negatively comparing their new home with their old ones. That attitude is not helpful anywhere. Thankfully, these cranks are a minority and most transplants are delighted with what they find in Arkansas and settle in well. They may think of themselves as new Arkansans, but I expect few of them would term themselves "Southern".

But I'll warrant you that the old Arkansas families who've lived in NWA for many generations still think of themselves - rightfully - as both Arkansans and Southerners.

As for cooking, I discovered the Ole Sawmill Restaurant in Forrest City during my recent trip to Arkansas - oh, man, it took me back to the Christmases when my grandmother's kitchen benefitted by the family's best cooks: Grandmother, my mother, and my aunts and older cousins (I was the youngest grandchild).

The Ole Sawmill is family-owned, operates a set-price buffet in addition to having menu offerings, and sells a few antiques as well. I opted for the buffet - SIX vegetables wound up on my plate, including wonderful Arkansas-grown rice, prepared just right - not sticky at all, not too salty, just the right amount of butter - delicious candied yams, green beans with a little ham hock, corn off the cob, and more. I skipped the salad bar other than for a slice or two of tomato, to save room for all those vegetables and for dessert, which was hot banana pudding with soft-serve ice cream on top.

It was wonderful. A little different from my own family tradition, which would have included produce from my grandfather's extensive garden and small orchard, but close enough. Some of those nostalgic tastes and flavors brought tears to my eyes; they were that good. Nothing like homestyle Southern cooking. Please note: while fried foods were available at the Ole Sawmill, I ate nothing fried and still feasted, Southern-style...

Did I mention the peach stand nearby, with fresh locally-grown Arkansas peaches from atop Crowley's Ridge? I am still enjoying the last of those. It will be several weeks before we have peaches of that quality available here in Upper-South Kentucky.

All Southern. Unquestionably Southern.

And if anyone thinks NWA and its ways are no longer part of the South, I'd direct you to Springdale's original AQ Chicken House, still going strong after all these years...
Well if anything, I think you just made everyone hungry, LOL. Also, I think you proved a point that different parts of the state are very different. Forrest City is just west of Memphis, which has strong southern roots. I've never come across many of those types of foods here. I'm still wondering why pinto beans are so popular around here. Where I'm originally from, the only way we ate those was in the form of refried beans in Mexican food. Being from the south myself, I can tell you this area is nothing like the south I grew up in. Here we have the mountains and hills, lots of rocks, lots of cattle farms, waterfalls, people eat things like Ruebens and pinto beans, chop firewood all year for the winter, canoe and kayak, bail hay in the dry season, they serve flavored tea like rasberry, etc. Btw: I live about 30 miles from the Missouri border.
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Northern Illinois
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Definitely a solid southern state. When in doubt, always look at college football conferences.
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Old 06-20-2016, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Definitely a solid southern state. When in doubt, always look at college football conferences.
that is a good point, but what would you say about Mo? And now let's look at Colorado; the PAC 12? I don't remember the state picking up and moving west but they still in the PAC. There are so many college football conferences that make no sense.

Now the other side of the coin: I asked a friend this morning when we were in the hot tub how she felt about the state and WV for that matter. She was born in WV, grew up in So California and moved here about 8 years ago. She considered both, WV and AR southern, but did say WV is north of the Mason Dickson line, thus is not a true southern state and AR which fought for the south, is more Midwestern in attitudes though it is southern.
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Old 06-20-2016, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Well if anything, I think you just made everyone hungry, LOL. Also, I think you proved a point that different parts of the state are very different. Forrest City is just west of Memphis, which has strong southern roots. I've never come across many of those types of foods here. I'm still wondering why pinto beans are so popular around here. Where I'm originally from, the only way we ate those was in the form of refried beans in Mexican food. Being from the south myself, I can tell you this area is nothing like the south I grew up in. Here we have the mountains and hills, lots of rocks, lots of cattle farms, waterfalls, people eat things like Ruebens and pinto beans, chop firewood all year for the winter, canoe and kayak, bail hay in the dry season, they serve flavored tea like rasberry, etc. Btw: I live about 30 miles from the Missouri border.
I agree, CraigCreek explained it perfectly.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:14 PM
 
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However, we can end the discussion with this one single map
Well, I'm glad to see they spelled "y'all" correctly. I see it spelled "ya'll" so much....it's so simple, really, to remember...the apostrophe goes in the place of the letters it replaces!

And just for the record, it's Mason Dixon....it possibly should be hyphenated (Mason-Dixon), but I'm not sure and I'm not going to take the time to research it.
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Northern Illinois
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that is a good point, but what would you say about Mo? And now let's look at Colorado; the PAC 12? I don't remember the state picking up and moving west but they still in the PAC. There are so many college football conferences that make no sense.

Now the other side of the coin: I asked a friend this morning when we were in the hot tub how she felt about the state and WV for that matter. She was born in WV, grew up in So California and moved here about 8 years ago. She considered both, WV and AR southern, but did say WV is north of the Mason Dickson line, thus is not a true southern state and AR which fought for the south, is more Midwestern in attitudes though it is southern.

True, actually, college conferences have gotten really messy, but the arrangements in the 90s/00s were a pretty good assessment of regions: SEC, Big 10, and Pac-10 comprised universities from Southern, Midwestern, and Western states, respectively. Arkansas was actually SWAC (SouthWest) before joining the SEC, which included U of Texas and other universities further west, but was never anywhere near Big 10 (Midwest) country.


I've always seen MO and WV as border states.
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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True, actually, college conferences have gotten really messy, but the arrangements in the 90s/00s were a pretty good assessment of regions: SEC, Big 10, and Pac-10 comprised universities from Southern, Midwestern, and Western states, respectively. Arkansas was actually SWAC (SouthWest) before joining the SEC, which included U of Texas and other universities further west, but was never anywhere near Big 10 (Midwest) country.


I've always seen MO and WV as border states.
I think we all have said what there is to say on the topic. And we will never agree 100%. So it is probably time to drop it until the subject comes up again and it will.
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