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Old 06-20-2016, 05:42 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Upper South. NE part of the Southwest.
Sounds about right.
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Old 06-20-2016, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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that is a good point, but what would you say about Mo? And now let's look at Colorado; the PAC 12? I don't remember the state picking up and moving west but they still in the PAC. There are so many college football conferences that make no sense.

Now the other side of the coin: I asked a friend this morning when we were in the hot tub how she felt about the state and WV for that matter. She was born in WV, grew up in So California and moved here about 8 years ago. She considered both, WV and AR southern, but did say WV is north of the Mason Dickson line, thus is not a true southern state and AR which fought for the south, is more Midwestern in attitudes though it is southern.
WV is almost all south of the Mason-Dixon line. The only part above the line is the northern panhandle, which is less than 3% of the state. Arkansas, for all intents and purposes, is southern.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:27 AM
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IMO, it all amounts to perspective. IMO, Arkansas is part of the South due to it's stance during the Civil War.
So was Florida, even Central FL (S. FL was largely unsettled by whites at the time). So was N. Virginia. Yet neither area has a "Southern" culture today. Ditto for San Antonio and Austin. By contrast, Kentucky and Missouri stayed with the Union, and West Virginia remained as well. So you can't completely go by history. Truth is, state lines don't tell the whole story. Even Pennsylvania is said to be Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and "northern Alabama".

As for other things, the Mason-Dixon line thing, if it did have any truth to it, it's long obsolete. Maryland and Delaware these days are not considered "Southern" any more (maybe a few isolated areas remote from I-95 are, but if we're talking about whole states, you gotta go with where the bulk of the population lives. In MD's case, it's the I-95 corridor, which is anything but 'Southern').
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Old 06-21-2016, 04:15 AM
 
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Is South Dakota southern?
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:35 PM
 
Location: West Tennessee
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First of all to the OP - Louisiana may be a southern state, but it is much more of a cultural outlier in the south than Arkansas is due to the French & Catholic influence. It is no surprise that it isn't like where you grew up because Louisiana is pretty unique. What you are seeing is the upland south as opposed to the deep south. You are seeing a culture that descended from the Appalachians as opposed to the Low Country of the Carolinas. That doesn't mean it isn't southern. Pinto Beans for example were staple foods for people from the mountains.

And North Arkansas isn't the same from east to west. Northeast Arkansas in the delta is the deep south. The rest of it not so much. Southern Missouri is the same way from east to west.
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Old 06-22-2016, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Isanti County, Minnesota
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WV is almost all south of the Mason-Dixon line. The only part above the line is the northern panhandle, which is less than 3% of the state. Arkansas, for all intents and purposes, is southern.
West Virginia is NOT southern. It's northern Appalachian, same as where my Dad's family is from in western Pennsylvania. Hillbilly country. There may be parts of WV that have southern tendencies, same as the Midwestern tendencies with NW Arkansas.......but as I've conceded Arkansas is still a southern state, I would also contend that WV is anything but.
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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West Virginia is NOT southern. It's northern Appalachian, same as where my Dad's family is from in western Pennsylvania. Hillbilly country. There may be parts of WV that have southern tendencies, same as the Midwestern tendencies with NW Arkansas.......but as I've conceded Arkansas is still a southern state, I would also contend that WV is anything but.
No, sorry, but you are wrong. WV has a governor named "Earl Ray", a statue of Stonewall Jackson on the state capitol grounds, and the largest state restaurant chain is biscuits and gravy, Tudor's Biscuit World.
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Old 06-23-2016, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I cannot believe there is debate here. Southern......Period. Missouri may be debatable, Arkansas NO.
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Old 06-23-2016, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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No, sorry, but you are wrong. WV has a governor named "Earl Ray", a statue of Stonewall Jackson on the state capitol grounds, and the largest state restaurant chain is biscuits and gravy, Tudor's Biscuit World.
This is still a matter of debate; tell most people in WV they are living in a southern state: they would disagree with you. My husbands family were all born and raised there: rural yes, maybe southern traditions even, but they do not considered themselves southern. Most don't even have southern accents. What does a name have to do with anything? I had an uncle named "Billy Bob" he and my moms whole family are from Kansas and raised pretty much in Colorado Springs.
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:26 PM
 
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This is still a matter of debate; tell most people in WV they are living in a southern state: they would disagree with you. My husbands family were all born and raised there: rural yes, maybe southern traditions even, but they do not considered themselves southern. Most don't even have southern accents. What does a name have to do with anything? I had an uncle named "Billy Bob" he and my moms whole family are from Kansas and raised pretty much in Colorado Springs.
This is the problem with anecdote. Where do you get your information? "Tell most people... they would disagree with you." The name of this website is City DATA, not City Innuendo and Rumor. I was born and raised WV and there are a ton of people there who believe it is southern. "Most don't have southern accents". Pray tell me where you found the source of this information? The Univ. of Pennsylvania linguists, who actually measure sound in speech, place most of WV in the southern dialect region. I don't want to derail the thread which is about Arkansas after all, so I will shut up after this.
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