Moving out of Arkansas. (Little Rock, Hot Springs: lease, attorneys, unemployment)
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Experiences vary.
For us, the utility bills evened out over the course of the year, if not just a tidbit cheaper up north. It takes a good amount of energy to keep a house cool in the hot Ozark summers.
Shoveling snow was an "every now and then" chore. Sometimes weekly, sometimes not. Sometimes daily, but for maybe 3-4 days at a time. Most of the places that get 100 inches of snow aren't all that populated. Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Detroit, and Chicago are all highly adaptable places to live in terms of weather and aren't the snowiest places in the world.
Lawn mowing season was a bit shorter, so that evened out as well.
It just comes down to personal preference. Weather gets too much attention these days. The upper midwest is a heavily populated area with a high standard of living, and is also quite pleasant and livable aside from a few inner city areas.
It does get snow. After a few years, it never really bothered us. Cold and snow is not why we left.
No doubt many do leave for that reason.
everyone to their own liking. If you can actually believe you only have to shovel snow in the upper midwest ac couple times a year, again, good for you. As for utilities we are on a budget or a balance plan and we average about 150.00 a month year around: 1700 sq ft plus a glassed in room that is heated and A/C.
I do have to wonder is there anything about NWA you have a truly positive feeling about?
Hey, snow and cold are fine. Maybe I'll look at it.
Yea, I prefer snow and colder temperatures during winter, unlike the rain, mixed precipitation, and mud often found further south. The trade-off you get in the Great Lakes region is is the most fantastic summer high temperatures, often between 75-85F every day with lower humidity levels. Low temperatures are generally in the 50s or low 60s.
Yea, I prefer snow and colder temperatures during winter, unlike the rain, mixed precipitation, and mud often found further south. The trade-off you get in the Great Lakes region is is the most fantastic summer high temperatures, often between 75-85F every day with lower humidity levels. Low temperatures are generally in the 50s or low 60s.
That seems to be the trade off: Though, for seasons and still miler temps I think NWA has the best of both worlds, but it would be nice to have those wonderful Great Lake nights. Here we have friends who live in the upper midwest a couple of months out of the year and here the rest. We also have friends that spend 2-4 months of the year in So. Texas or Fl in the winter and love the rest of the seasons here.
I have a fairly long track record with Arkansas. I finished up law school there in 2004. A couple of years later I invested in real estate in NW Arkansas and I stayed invested there for a long time. I did well and I had a lot of professional friends there. As a single woman and an out of state investor, I felt VERY welcomed and respected by both my male and female professional peers.
As with everyone born and raised in the deep south, I want to put it nicely, but it's hard. I can't recommend Arkansas for business anymore. They used to be genuinely business friendly, a real free market kind of vibe down there, but not so much anymore.
Remember that old Michael J. Fox movie Doc Hollywood? His character accidently wrecks his car, taking out the judge's fence in the process, and gets stuck in Hee Haw hell for a week or so. That's Arkansas today, in my opinion. Are the people still genuine and sweet? Yes. Will the judge completely ignore the law and rule in whatever way he wants while people just cower and do nothing? Yes.
What I'm saying here is that Arkansas state government has become so bad that it is seriously interfering with business. The economy sucks and they just sort of don't know that it's their own fault. If you were not born and raised in Arkansas, I can no longer recommend attempting to do business there. Sad, but true. This is coming from someone who was invested there for a long time and did relatively well.
Business relies upon a sound, predictable legal system and Arkansas state government has just sort of gone off the alt right deep end, I guess. They do whatever they want, regardless of the constitution and no one says or does a thing about it. The press will not report on how backward the government has become. Maybe they don't remember how things used to be?
Is NW Arkansas still cool for retirees? I would say yes. Should you be fearful to move to NW Arkansas to take a job? Probably not. Pine Bluff has always been very dangerous and it remains so to this day. The big shocker to me is Little Rock. Used to be such a cool, fun little southern city that felt safe to me back in 2004. It's just horribly violent now. Can't leave your house without risking getting shot. Really.
I was last in Conway around 2014/2015 and it seemed fine-a friendly college town vibe. As far as I know, Eureka Springs is still cool.
If you are looking for a southern state to invest or do business, consider Texas, Tennessee or Alabama because Arkansas has become pretty hostile to outsiders attempting to do business there, in my opinion. Back in 2006, it was COMPLETELY different. Not sure what happened and not sure if the natives realize what a hostile vibe they are giving off.
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The local Arkansas press has recently gone on record stating that neo Nazis marching in Little Rock were attention seeking and that's why no one was really reporting on it. In my opinion, they just don't want to report upon anything that helps people to really understand what's going on in the state.
The neo-Nazis marched in Charlottesville, VA. There was a big, ugly scene and now there are going to be prosecutions. Well, apparently they find their message better received in Arkansas.
It's not just about white power, lately it seems to be more about misogyny and hating on immigrants. The truth is that it's about growing despair about the way things are. There are not enough jobs for these young men and certainly not enough jobs that pay a salary that will support a middle class life. I'm guessing that even if they go way into debt to go to college, there may not be jobs waiting, but the press isn't going to report on that because it's negative.
If you are interested in the growing neo Nazi movement in Arkansas, MSNBC did a good piece on it about six months or so ago.
Good place for Jews to retire? Probably not. Sorry.
The local Arkansas press has recently gone on record stating that neo Nazis marching in Little Rock were attention seeking and that's why no one was really reporting on it. In my opinion, they just don't want to report upon anything that helps people to really understand what's going on in the state.
The neo-Nazis marched in Charlottesville, VA. There was a big, ugly scene and now there are going to be prosecutions. Well, apparently they find their message better received in Arkansas.
It's not just about white power, lately it seems to be more about misogyny and hating on immigrants. The truth is that it's about growing despair about the way things are. There are not enough jobs for these young men and certainly not enough jobs that pay a salary that will support a middle class life. I'm guessing that even if they go way into debt to go to college, there may not be jobs waiting, but the press isn't going to report on that because it's negative.
If you are interested in the growing neo Nazi movement in Arkansas, MSNBC did a good piece on it about six months or so ago.
Good place for Jews to retire? Probably not. Sorry.
I am not quite sure what the point of your 2 postings is and I am sure others would feel a bit the same. You obviously are basing your opinion on a left side bias which is your right. We all have opinions that may not be popular, but it sounds more like you are simply rambling and for why, who knows? I notice you have just joined CD. It is unusual for someone to join just to put down an area or topic.
As for Jews, tell our son in law it isn't a good place for Jews to retire or tell he and my daughters many friends, who happen to be Jewish. And let's all make sure we get our information from MSNBC
I have a fairly long track record with Arkansas. I finished up law school there in 2004. A couple of years later I invested in real estate in NW Arkansas and I stayed invested there for a long time. I did well and I had a lot of professional friends there. As a single woman and an out of state investor, I felt VERY welcomed and respected by both my male and female professional peers.
As with everyone born and raised in the deep south, I want to put it nicely, but it's hard. I can't recommend Arkansas for business anymore. They used to be genuinely business friendly, a real free market kind of vibe down there, but not so much anymore.
Remember that old Michael J. Fox movie Doc Hollywood? His character accidently wrecks his car, taking out the judge's fence in the process, and gets stuck in Hee Haw hell for a week or so. That's Arkansas today, in my opinion. Are the people still genuine and sweet? Yes. Will the judge completely ignore the law and rule in whatever way he wants while people just cower and do nothing? Yes.
What I'm saying here is that Arkansas state government has become so bad that it is seriously interfering with business. The economy sucks and they just sort of don't know that it's their own fault. If you were not born and raised in Arkansas, I can no longer recommend attempting to do business there. Sad, but true. This is coming from someone who was invested there for a long time and did relatively well.
Business relies upon a sound, predictable legal system and Arkansas state government has just sort of gone off the alt right deep end, I guess. They do whatever they want, regardless of the constitution and no one says or does a thing about it. The press will not report on how backward the government has become. Maybe they don't remember how things used to be?
Is NW Arkansas still cool for retirees? I would say yes. Should you be fearful to move to NW Arkansas to take a job? Probably not. Pine Bluff has always been very dangerous and it remains so to this day. The big shocker to me is Little Rock. Used to be such a cool, fun little southern city that felt safe to me back in 2004. It's just horribly violent now. Can't leave your house without risking getting shot. Really.
I was last in Conway around 2014/2015 and it seemed fine-a friendly college town vibe. As far as I know, Eureka Springs is still cool.
If you are looking for a southern state to invest or do business, consider Texas, Tennessee or Alabama because Arkansas has become pretty hostile to outsiders attempting to do business there, in my opinion. Back in 2006, it was COMPLETELY different. Not sure what happened and not sure if the natives realize what a hostile vibe they are giving off.
Maybe there's an ebb and flow to things.
The current state of Arkansas you describe is what I saw back in the 70's and 80's. Probably prior.
Things did get better for a while. I'm not convinced they are as bad now as they were way back when the state developed it's deserved reputation with all things negative. It still has a long way to go.
My problem with Arkansas' current growth is that it's not at all appealing to me. I know that's just personal taste. Other people seem to like it.
No offense, but Texas, Tennessee, and Alabama do not seem like much of an upgrade to Arkansas overall but I recognize at least a couple of those are likely better for business.
Little Rock is still safer now than it was 25-30 years ago, but it's always been rough. I lived there in the early 2000's and found it to be tolerable but very problematic. Still my favorite populated place in the state by far.
The local Arkansas press has recently gone on record stating that neo Nazis marching in Little Rock were attention seeking and that's why no one was really reporting on it. In my opinion, they just don't want to report upon anything that helps people to really understand what's going on in the state.
The neo-Nazis marched in Charlottesville, VA. There was a big, ugly scene and now there are going to be prosecutions. Well, apparently they find their message better received in Arkansas.
It's not just about white power, lately it seems to be more about misogyny and hating on immigrants. The truth is that it's about growing despair about the way things are. There are not enough jobs for these young men and certainly not enough jobs that pay a salary that will support a middle class life. I'm guessing that even if they go way into debt to go to college, there may not be jobs waiting, but the press isn't going to report on that because it's negative.
If you are interested in the growing neo Nazi movement in Arkansas, MSNBC did a good piece on it about six months or so ago.
Good place for Jews to retire? Probably not. Sorry.
The local Arkansas press is probably as useless as MSNBC. "Local" isn't always their priority, at least not in Little Rock.
I will say the only place I've ever seen a neo-nazi flag in person (that I can remember) was in a yard in the Mountain Home area, outside of town down a secondary highway. Yeah, I know there are people like that everywhere.
We were going camping and I was trying to warm up to this region. That incident didn't help any.
I am not quite sure what the point of your 2 postings is and I am sure others would feel a bit the same. You obviously are basing your opinion on a left side bias which is your right. We all have opinions that may not be popular, but it sounds more like you are simply rambling and for why, who knows? I notice you have just joined CD. It is unusual for someone to join just to put down an area or topic.
As for Jews, tell our son in law it isn't a good place for Jews to retire or tell he and my daughters many friends, who happen to be Jewish. And let's all make sure we get our information from MSNBC
Actually, I was raised by two very conservative, hard working, well liked entrepreneurial parents in Louisiana. I'm traditional and conservative, just not alt right. My parents were traditional Republicans and raised me to be like them.
I'll never get over the shock I experienced at how negatively Arkansas has changed since around 2006. I moved away in 2005 and then moved back in 2014. Then I moved away again to stay in 2015. The economy is lame because no one wants to deal with how their fellow professionals act there anymore-spiteful and whacked out. It didn't used to be that way. There are JUST so many other better places to do business in the deep South is that's what you want to do.
Sadly, anti Semitism is rising globally, most likely due to hard economic times and angry people looking for someone to blame. People have a right to know that Arkansas may be becoming dangerous for Jews as are other locations around the globe. But, as I noted, the new neo Nazism seems more focused upon misogyny and keeping all brown skinned immigrants out.
Not that I'm in favor of a massive influx of immigrants from the Mexico border, because I'm not. In fact, what I favor, is both parties establishing a clear platform or policy on immigration from Mexico.
Am I Jewish or Mexican? No, I have a very tradition Louisiana heritage. My father was French/Italian and my mother was Scotch/Irish, born and raised in Mississippi.
Last edited by Coco Chanel; 12-07-2018 at 02:59 AM..
I was wondering has anyone else moved out of Arkansas.
No, you are the only one......
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