[TRex2]

Originally Posted by Tyryztoll

Another link to the banned YouTube video I initially posted yesterday for those who might want to watch it. If you get squirrely about what Dr. Mikovits has to say I at least urge you to lend an ear to the physicians in this video who lay out their counter arguments to many of the implemented methods of defense against the virus. There are so many brilliant scientists and doctors who are being silenced in correlation with this through government and media censorship. It's happening folks, right here in the good ol' US of A.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/sHrpUplJPTUE/

I don't think any of us here have the background in microbiology to evaluate these videos, but I don't agree with the censoring of them, either. There may come a time when someone looks at one of these videos and finds something that even the brightest of us missed.

[Hollynla]

Originally Posted by TRex2

I have never seen a study with that many asymptomatic cases, before. I still suspect we are dealing with two minutely different virus clades that arrived at different times, with the first providing immunity for the second, but without revealing itself (by creating mass hospitalizations) like the one that arrived later.
(That last sentence was a bit convoluted, but I can't think of a better way to say it.)

Had this simply been a case of the virus arriving mid Nov, as the government is now promoting, and if the virus doubled it number of infected people every five days, as we have seen before, by early march, we would have had a million cases, and by mid April we would have had almost a quarter of the country exposed, millions in the hospital and several hundred thousand dead. No, God sent something to blunt this virus's ability to harm us. I think He sent an earlier version to vaccinate us.

I think the correctional center may be showing positive, for the earlier version.

Frankly, at this time I am beginning to think it is not in the gov's best interest, to allow the two virus theory to be heard, so I don't think we will hear about it from the government.

Are you confusing the actual covid test to the antibody tests? These were covid test, which looks for a specific strain If there was a first virus that has passed and made people immune, that would not show up as a positive covid test.

[Hollynla]

There is a YouTube channel called Fall Cabal. It's a series of 9 rather short videos. It is very interesting and explains some things you probably never thought of. The videos start pre-covid and then it adds it in.

[Tyryztoll]

Originally Posted by TRex2

I don't think any of us here have the background in microbiology to evaluate these videos, but I don't agree with the censoring of them, either. There may come a time when someone looks at one of these videos and finds something that even the brightest of us missed.

Again, that was my point, Rex. Why is stuff being purposely kept from the public? If someone views this and comes away with an opinion that it's nothing but conspiratorial, that's fine......but what's with the banning and censoring? There are thousands of conspiracy themed videos on YouTube in particular that you can access 24/7. Why are they jumping out of their shoes to delete this stuff?

I personally think the physicians toward the end of the piece made a whole lotta sense with their opinions about how isolating ourselves from the world for long stretches actually weakens our immune systems and makes us much more susceptible to a myriad of afflictions in addition to the virus. That's really scary to think about. Listen to these guys and think on what they're talking about here. We have the right to hear every opinion put forth and make up our own minds.

[Luvvarkansas]

Originally Posted by Tyryztoll

Again, that was my point, Rex. Why is stuff being purposely kept from the public? If someone views this and comes away with an opinion that it's nothing but conspiratorial, that's fine......but what's with the banning and censoring? There are thousands of conspiracy themed videos on YouTube in particular that you can access 24/7. Why are they jumping out of their shoes to delete this stuff?

I have come to believe that this was all about control from the beginning, i.e., giving the government more control over the populace.



I heard today that in Louisiana they are wanting churches (and businesses) to register before they can open back up. Included in that registering is detailed info about all members. They already have a site up and going for the registration. Our chief of police said that they have actually mentioned fines for non-compliance. Some in Baton Rouge are against it, he said.


THAT is scarier than the virus, to me.


https://www.wafb.com/2020/05/04/la-p...ation-program/


Take special note of the last sentence in the article: "The portal also allows citizens to file complaints about businesses/churches not properly following the guidelines."


Does this remind anyone else of Nazi Germany?

[TRex2]

I think the correctional center may be showing positive, for the earlier version.

Originally Posted by Hollynla

Are you confusing the actual covid test to the antibody tests? These were covid test, which looks for a specific strain If there was a first virus that has passed and made people immune, that would not show up as a positive covid test.

No, I just didn't make myself clear. I suspect an earlier strain, but one that is still making its way through our civilization. Just more slowly, and very subtly. I supect it got into the correctional center, and quietly spread through the population, or maybe through the guards, before anyone got tested. One way it could spread quietly is to move slowly, while inside the body, giving the host a few weeks of being slightly ill or asymptomatic, while spreading to others, rather that a mass onslaught that makes the host very ill.

These are just theories, designed to fit the statistical history that I have been seeing. There may be a completely different explanation, that I haven't even thought of. I just know that, for the past 12 weeks, this virus has been breaking quarantines and defying statistical models (all of which seem to assume we are dealing with a single strain), and no one knows exactly why.

[TRex2]

Originally Posted by Tyryztoll

Again, that was my point, Rex. Why is stuff being purposely kept from the public?

I think The Powers That Be are afraid of two things:
One is that misinformation causes sheeples to do stupid things,
and Two is that if too many people see errors in things said by TPTB,
they will stop listening to TPTB, and what the TPTB crave the most
is adoration and adulation.

(Just to be clear, I am not talking about the current Administration, but the Swamp)

. Listen to these guys and think on what they're talking about here. We have the right to hear every opinion put forth and make up our own minds.

I won't waste my time on those videos, and I wouldn't mind of they were labeled as "outside of mainstream ideas" or something to that effect. But I don't think they should be censored, especially by an entity that has a de-facto monopoly on information distribution.

[TRex2]

Originally Posted by Luvvarkansas

...
Take special note of the last sentence in the article: "The portal also allows citizens to file complaints about businesses/churches not properly following the guidelines."

Does this remind anyone else of Nazi Germany?

More like "behind the Iron Curtain"

Here is more food for thought:
https://www.dennisprager.com/column/...-police-state/

“Police state” does not mean totalitarian state. America is not a totalitarian state; we still have many freedoms. In a totalitarian state, this article could not be legally published, and if it were illegally published, I would be imprisoned and/or executed. But we are presently living with all four of the key hallmarks of a police state:

The article is a good read.

[TRex2]

Originally Posted by Hollynla

There is a YouTube channel called Fall Cabal. It's a series of 9 rather short videos. It is very interesting and explains some things you probably never thought of. The videos start pre-covid and then it adds it in.

There is a huge amount of information that TPTB don't want us to see in those videos. Unfortunately they weren't vetted very well so there is also a lot of misinformation in them. To the point were I wonder if they were produced for the purpose of spreading tin foil hat theories, just to make us look bad.

It doesn't take much stupid stuff embedded in videos like that, to turn good info into trash. Before stuff like that is published we, ourselves, need to vette the info, otherwise all we do is spread stuff that the Left can later used against us.

All of this is why I prefer numbered or dated lists, with supporting documentation before discussing any information that TPTB would prefer went away.

Check into DiscoverTheNetworks.

[TRex2]

Originally Posted by TRex2

I am glad your cousin is well, but you missed the reason for my lamination. That is perfectly reasonable, though, since I was regretting a forecast I made on a different forum. (I get confused, sometimes, about where I posted what.)

Here is the post I regret:

As you can see, I underestimated by a huge margin.
Asymptomatic carriers was the factor I didn't consider

I see that I am not the only one struggling with knowing how to factor in the asymptomatic cases.
I often find myself ahead of the CDC's published information, but I don't think I am ever ahead of what they know and discuss among themselves. It is their caution before publishing that allows me to appear to be ahead of them.

The following appears to be a pre-published article from the July edition of the CDC periodical "Emerging Infectious Diseases"

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2020/...omatic-or.html

First, the incidence of asymptomatic compared with symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection needs to be determined. The extent of presymptomatic or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection may be clarified by studies using serial virologic data, serologic data, or a combination of both in observational cohorts or surveillance systems.
If a substantial proportion of infections are asymptomatic, enhanced testing strategies may be needed to detect these persons. Second, given that a large proportion of infections probably result from transmission from asymptomatic or presymptomatic persons (32,33,39), the effectiveness of public health interventions aimed at reducing their infectiousness needs to be quantified.
If the COVID-19 pandemic is found to be driven by undetected asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, new innovations in disease detection and prevention (beyond exhaustive contact tracing, mass testing, and isolation of asymptomatic contacts) may be needed.

Last, knowledge of SARS-CoV-2 immunity among persons with asymptomatic or mild SARS-CoV-2 infection is needed; specifically, whether full or partial immunity develops in these persons, how long protective immunity lasts, and if it is possible to be immune from reinfection but still asymptomatically transmit SARS-CoV-2 while in a carrier state.