[ArkansasTraveler]

Originally Posted by RTTNFAM

>>I neither have "gay fear" nor do I hate gays/lesbians. I am a Christian, and therefore I do not believe that the homosexual lifestyle is right! According to the bible, homosexual relationships are forbidden, as stated in Leviticus 18 of the Holy Bible. <<<>>> I hate the sin (homosexuality) not the person, which is what Christianity teaches. I do not try to take the "moral high road", but I do base my decisions on my faith. Again, the OP asked for opinions, you have mine. I realize I am in minority on this one, and that's OK!

Politics and Other Controversies

Originally Posted by Originally Posted by CLTKing

Yes, you got us, we have an agenda. We want to have the same rights as heterosexual couples. We want to be able to have a family, adopt if we want, or have kids, by whatever means necessary.

Mod Edit! No way am I allowing that here! You're entitled to your opinion, please express it in a civil manner or keep it to yourself!

Arkansas adopts strict adoption ban for unmarried couples.
Arkansas - Statewide, the measure championed by religious conservatives passed with the endorsement of 56.9 percent of the voters. No children for you to pervert here.

Florida does not want its children perverted either.
Gay-Adoption Ban In Florida to Stand
Justices Decline to Hear Challenge

By Charles Lane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 11, 2005; Page A04

The Supreme Court announced yesterday that it would not hear a challenge to Florida's unique-in-the-nation ban on adoptions by gays, sidestepping a case that could have thrust the court into a bitter culture war.

If I had a child seized by the state and handed over to perverts, some would be in the market for silver straws.

[ArkansasTraveler]

Originally Posted by RogMar

Ya made coffee shoot through my nose, nita.

I was putting a new generator together yesterday afternoon when a neighbor called.

His 80+ year old mother lives with him, and *she* shot two young racoons, and he threw them on the barbecue pit and they were ready.

Insisted we come down and eat with them.

Had the coon, fried venison, home made biscuits, sausage gravy, and turnip greens. Then some real good conversation.

It was nirvana.

And.....his mother didn't have shoes on the whole time we were there.

Uh-huh, barefoot as the day she was born.

I would fight any man that spoke badly of them. Yes, the backwards, back woods folks are here, and they're some of the finest folks i've ever met in my life.

I would hope that I be struck from the earth should I ever get so full of myself that I judge anyone by appearence or lifestyle.

However, that's something that occurs frequently, and unfortunately we even hear the echoes here.

The act went up for vote. It went up for vote in a conservative state. The state didn't just do a mandate and shove it down peoples throat, they let the people decide.

Originally Posted by RogMar

When people come here, and say, "Wow, I really like this state because it's not expensive and the scenery is great and there's all these recreational opportunities.....but...now that *I'm* here, lets get some upscale shopping and dining going on, let's pave some of these dirt roads, let's tone down the religious right, let's all get more open minded on sexual preferences, alternative lifestyles, change your dining habits, vehicle choices, and....by the way, that camo shirt is just "tacky". Let's try a little harder to think like I think, vote like I vote, dress like I dress, let's doze these woods and make a shopping center, and while we're at it....I don't think it's right at all to be shooting these helpless creatures when you could just run down to the grocery store to get your food...and..well..you really should be a vegan anyway..."

You speak of Portland here. I move to the socialist state of Hawaii, guess it was for - no snakes, chiggers, ticks, wasps --- sure did not know the local controls - The Muff runs Honolulu his way.

Originally Posted by RogMar

Hey, you are doing an ace job, slam-bang, absolutely guaranteeing that you are going to be one unhappy hombre'.

If I moved to New York City and tried to start a movement to tear down all those silly skyscrapers and plant trees, how long would it be before my postage-stamp apartment got firebombed?

That is precisely why some locals get all cranked up. That is exactly why some folks come to Arkansas and say, "Wow, those were the most unfriendly people I've ever met".

If one spends their time in Fayetteville, or Hot Springs, and enjoys the urban life, progressiveness, night life, social scene, man...that's great. That's your Arkansas.

Make enough noise, get some politicians involved, you can get your cause on the ballot.

Like any state, people in Arkansas vote.

They did vote.

Wether we like the way they voted, or not, remember one important thing.

This is America, and the same rights that assured you could vote, also assures that you can leave if you don't like the outcome.

Michigan is thataway--------------->

[RogMar]

You speak of Portland here. I move to the socialist state of Hawaii, guess it was for - no snakes, chiggers, ticks, wasps --- sure did not know the local controls - The Muff runs Honolulu his way.


I've never ben to Portland.

Used their cement more than once.

I spent a little time in Hawaii, and I can certainly see it's appeal. Especially to a few folks who have hung around here wanting to know where they can spend the most money the quickest.

I see we keep coming back to this 'gay' issue, although I can't quite hook it up with the Article.

But, hey....I'm still not hooking up the Global Warming/loss of honeybees thing either.

I see this more of a barrier to the oh-so-chic celebrities that, when they're not busy condemning America, like to show the adorable child they just....uh....adopted.

I see it as a reminder that, "Hey...first we want to make real sure of *your* stability, before we trust *theirs* with you".

There are Indian tribes in the U.S., both native Americans and South American indians, that have the right, guaranteed by the government, to use hallucinigenic drugs.

They most certainly do.

I've got nothing against them, but I don't particulary want to invite them to a BBQ.

Some people feel that way about gays. That's a shame, I know.

That's life.

There is no Santa Clause, and don't go looking for the Easter bunny, cause I paid homage to him in '67 with cornbread and sweet tea.

One way to assure that people who are neutral on your cause, religion, lifestyle, etc., is to run there face in it. Make them feel *wrong*....a societal misfit....a ne'er-do-well, because you don't welcome...nay...*champion*, that lifestyle I choose.

That's how PETA ended up on the U.K.'s no-entry terrorist list.

If I met a gay person, and they said early in the conversation, "JUST SO YOU KNOW, I"M GAY!", which has happened to me more than once.......

I get a little confused.....I'm thinking, "Uh..OK....I'm feeling a *little* bit Methodist today....are we supposed to arm wrestle now, or what?"

The gay community, screaming that this was aimed at them, do nothing more than reinforce homophobia and make the conservatives dig their heels in deeper.

Also, I don't think the State of Arkansas is so bashful, that if they *were* aiming it at gays, they wouldn't just come out and say it.

[ArkansasTraveler]

Originally Posted by RogMar

I've never ben to Portland.

Used their cement more than once.

Portland Cement does not come from Portland, Oregon.
Could be from the Bill of Portland - or Portland Bill as the English put it. I have been by the Bill a number of times.

When the H-3 was being built the USS Silverbow hauled tons of cement from Portland to Honolulu. I did a few nights aboard as night mate when docked in Portland.

[ArkansasTraveler]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

You do realize that Act 1 will not survive a Constitutionality challenge?

Gay-Adoption Ban In Florida to Stand
Justices Decline to Hear Challenge

By Charles Lane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 11, 2005; Page A04

The Supreme Court announced yesterday that it would not hear a challenge to Florida's unique-in-the-nation ban on adoptions by gays, sidestepping a case that could have thrust the court into a bitter culture war.

[RogMar]

Originally Posted by ArkansasTraveler

Portland Cement does not come from Portland, Oregon.

Uhhh.....that was a j-o-k-e.

I guess I can save the one about Indiana's contribution to cuisine.

Hammond eggs.

[ArkansasTraveler]

Originally Posted by RogMar

Uhhh.....that was a j-o-k-e.

I guess I can save the one about Indiana's contribution to cuisine.

Hammond eggs.

No - No, lets have some *in*jun**** cooking.

*In*jun* Joe from Injiana (?) brewed up his famous KICKAPOO JUICE, and there was --- Shmoo meat when roasted was pork, when broiled it was steak, and when fried it was chicken. The eyes of a Shmoo made good suspender buttons and its whiskers made fine toothpicks. The skin when cut thin served as high quality cloth, cut thick it was leather, and cut in strips it became boards for housing.

[ArkansasTraveler]

Originally Posted by sandgirl

It ain't no literary class professor. I thank its a forum

And here I was a thinking it was just the funny papers.

Graded from Master of ocean vessels to class professor, 0' the shame...

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by ArkansasTraveler

Gay-Adoption Ban In Florida to Stand
Justices Decline to Hear Challenge

By Charles Lane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 11, 2005; Page A04

The Supreme Court announced yesterday that it would not hear a challenge to Florida's unique-in-the-nation ban on adoptions by gays, sidestepping a case that could have thrust the court into a bitter culture war.

Act 1 was a response to the courts removing a previous ban against gay adoption. That's why the language of Act 1 does not address homosexuality, but instead addresses cohabitation between unmarried persons. Since state law doesn't recognize marriage between homosexuals, the Act effectively made homosexual couples unable to adopt or foster children. The courts in this district ruled against the previous law, so it stands to reason that they are open to hearing challenges on this topic. Cohabitation doesn't necessarily equate with sexual relations, but the Act does do this. There are a host of Constitutional issues, including the presumptive right to Privacy that Roe v Wade is based on, which could be the basis of court challenges to this Act. It will be challenged, and eventually overturned. It's really not good legislation, it's not specific enough, it's poorly defined, it's poorly written. Which is why our legislature didn't accept it to begin with, and left it to an election.

[Clay Lady]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

Act 1 was a response to the courts removing a previous ban against gay adoption. That's why the language of Act 1 does not address homosexuality, but instead addresses cohabitation between unmarried persons. Since state law doesn't recognize marriage between homosexuals, the Act effectively made homosexual couples unable to adopt or foster children. The courts in this district ruled against the previous law, so it stands to reason that they are open to hearing challenges on this topic. Cohabitation doesn't necessarily equate with sexual relations, but the Act does do this. There are a host of Constitutional issues, including the presumptive right to Privacy that Roe v Wade is based on, which could be the basis of court challenges to this Act. It will be challenged, and eventually overturned. It's really not good legislation, it's not specific enough, it's poorly defined, it's poorly written. Which is why our legislature didn't accept it to begin with, and left it to an election.

DC, I think you have given voice to the heart of the issue. I was out of state when this went down talking with a company that ended any conversation about building plant in Arkansas when they heard the out come. It made Arkansas look bad and made me mad because it is a false image.

I wish everyone would let members of our legislature know we don't want issues on our ballots that are so confusing you don't really understand what you are voting for or against.