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Old 07-20-2009, 07:11 PM
 
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No, casino gambling does not bring down property values, I am amazed when people post comments like this with nothing to back the remarks on. Until the fall of the economy Las Vegas property values had about trippled in a 5 to 10 year period. The areas with Indian casinos, the nicer areas are not suffering. Check values in Sandia Moutain area of NM or Isleta and Los Lunas area in NM. Check the areas around Downstream casino in OK just to mention a few. Even crime, yes, if you are talking about Atlantic City or as I mentioned Downtown Vegas or Reno there are a lot of homeless people and some crime.

I don't think most of the people living in AR has experienced casino gambling enough to judge what does and does not happen. They only know a little of what they may have read. Tell people in Baton Rouge or Tahoe their property values have decreased...

Nita
O.k. I looked it up. I could not see a correlation between lower property values and casino's. I was basing my opinion on the Oklahoma casino towns. I guess those cities were already crappy when the casino came into town. I now have changed my position. I don't have any problem with casino's now. It does always seem though that once we start talking about the lottery casinos always come up. I don't think we have to worry about casinos right now.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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O.k. I looked it up. I could not see a correlation between lower property values and casino's. I was basing my opinion on the Oklahoma casino towns. I guess those cities were already crappy when the casino came into town. I now have changed my position. I don't have any problem with casino's now. It does always seem though that once we start talking about the lottery casinos always come up. I don't think we have to worry about casinos right now.
yep, there are areas that were crappy before the casinos and will always be that way. As i said, downtown Las Vegas as well as downtown Reno are pretty scary..Downtown Vegas not as bad as it used to be now that they have the enclosed area. In fact that area is really fun, but I wouldn't wander even 2 blocks away from Fremont Street. It has always been shady!!!

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Old 07-20-2009, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Fort Smith, Arkansas
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The casinos can also discriminate when they hire employees. They make it clear in their classified ads that they will hire native americans before any other race.
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Old 07-21-2009, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The casinos can also discriminate when they hire employees. They make it clear in their classified ads that they will hire native americans before any other race.
yes, that is certainly true and very unfortunate. If discrimination is wrong, it is wrong, cut and dry...I don't care who is doing the discrimination. The only thing I will give them credit for, they are open about it.



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Old 07-21-2009, 06:37 AM
 
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However.on reservations that control their own lottery and claim sovereign nation status, I see nothing wrong for them to discriminate against non-residents in regards to hiring.

Our country could learn from them.
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Old 07-21-2009, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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However.on reservations that control their own lottery and claim sovereign nation status, I see nothing wrong for them to discriminate against non-residents in regards to hiring.

Our country could learn from them.
This does not have anything to do with the lottery, but the large casinos that exist is so many states and many are not actually on reservations nor do they employ only those who live on the reservation. They employ people from all over the particular area.

Many native Americans live off reservations.

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Old 07-21-2009, 07:14 AM
 
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A question that puzzles me-------if casinos are not on a reservation, why are Indians running/owning them?

Couldn't any citizen ( regardless of race) who has the money , own/operate a casino that is not located on a reservation ?
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:13 AM
 
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Couldn't any citizen ( regardless of race) who has the money , own/operate a casino that is not located on a reservation ?
Of course...

Fill out the forms and have your attorney file them with the state.

"Thank you Mr. Marmac.......have a nice day".

Just like anybody aceing a promotional exam gets promoted.
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:07 AM
 
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In Oklahoma [where Indians generally are NOT on reservations] there are areas of the state that are traditionally considered the home of a certain tribe. I think the casinos are land that the tribes have purchased in those particular areas.

There are different "classes" of gaming. Class II involves horse-racing and bingo. Class III is lottery and casino gaming. If a tribe is currently offering gaming activity, they have to be permitted to operate the class that is available elsewhere in the state. For example, when Oklahoma passed pari-mutual betting [horse better] in the 80s, that opened the door to Indian bingo. When the lottery was passed in 2004, the bingo halls became casinos. From what was described in an earlier post, this sounds similar to the situation in Minnesota.

I personally don't like casinos in urban areas because they usually do create problems for those living nearby, at the very least, traffic problems. I like how it is done in California's Central Valley, the casinos are basically in the middle of nowhere, which seems to eliminate a lot of those problems since there are few if any "neighbors."

I don't regard Indian preference hiring as disrimination, but that is a different discussion. They're not saying "No non-Indians need apply."
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Old 07-22-2009, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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In Oklahoma [where Indians generally are NOT on reservations] there are areas of the state that are traditionally considered the home of a certain tribe. I think the casinos are land that the tribes have purchased in those particular areas.

There are different "classes" of gaming. Class II involves horse-racing and bingo. Class III is lottery and casino gaming. If a tribe is currently offering gaming activity, they have to be permitted to operate the class that is available elsewhere in the state. For example, when Oklahoma passed pari-mutual betting [horse better] in the 80s, that opened the door to Indian bingo. When the lottery was passed in 2004, the bingo halls became casinos. From what was described in an earlier post, this sounds similar to the situation in Minnesota.

I personally don't like casinos in urban areas because they usually do create problems for those living nearby, at the very least, traffic problems. I like how it is done in California's Central Valley, the casinos are basically in the middle of nowhere, which seems to eliminate a lot of those problems since there are few if any "neighbors."

I don't regard Indian preference hiring as disrimination, but that is a different discussion. They're not saying "No non-Indians need apply."
No, they are not saying that, but face it, for the management type of jobs it would be pretty tough to be considered if you were not Indian. Sorry, I still say it is discrimination. I will again add, at least they are honest about it.

Nita
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