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But I think I read from a poster here, that it was nearly 40% immigrants....which made me think that it must mostly be chinese mainlanders. Perhaps that information is a bit false.
Meanwhile, in HK and Macau, it seems that is is nearing 40%...granted I can't exactly tell without Chinese. Anyone out there with Chinese enough to view the Census Data and get more accurate data out there.
Specifically, what is the current Mainland Chinese percentage in SG? For that matter, how about Indian from India population in SG?
Part II, what is the Mainland Chinese percentage now living in HK? And in Macau?
Lastly, a little discussion about this. What do people think? To me, it seems that HK/Macau have distinct cultures separate from Mainland China. So a large influx really changes the culture significantly. SG, I am not as sure about, as it seems the Chinese-Singaporeans are a bit more removed from mainland China, generally.
I know some people in Hong Kong (especially some young people) do not want mainlanders to come. They organized protests etc. However, HKers are quite divided on this issue. Many of the immigrants are Cantonese speakers anyway, and Cantonese speakers always connect with Hong Kong more than they do with north China.
Macau is totally different. Their economy totally depends on mainland China and many of the residents are recent immigrants anyway. I never heard of any major conflicts between people of mainland and Macau.
It is estimated there is about 1 million mainlanders Chinese in Singapore. Singapore's population is about 5+ million .. The 5 million includes PRs and new citizens .
How do you define a Mainland Chinese? Are they still considered Mainland Chinese after they become citizens of another country and citizens of HK, Macau and Taiwan?
I know in North America ,Australia and NZ, once an immigrant obtain citizenship, they are considered full citizens in society, regardless of his or her place of origin. Chinese who came to Taiwan from Mainland China when the Republic of China lost control of the Mainland in late 1940s to early 1950s are also considered full citizens of Taiwan, despite some resentments from the local Taiwanese when they arrived from Mainland China. Mainland Chinese who settled in HK and Macau are also considered full citizens there, discrimination were little in the past as most people in HK and Macau in the 1950s to 1970s came from Mainland China, the 2 colonies were underpopulated at the end of world war 2 due to japanese brutality, mainland chinese escaping communism and poverty were the majority after the war.
Mainland China is among the top few sources of immigrants to Canada, US, Australia and NZ nowadays .They are still the biggest source of immigration to Taiwan, HK and Macau today. Many people in Taiwan, HK and Macau marry Mainland Chinese voluntarily when Mainland China opened its doors since late 1970s. Many of these "local people" were born in the Mainland.
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Granted this is from 2010...and its a quote from an article: [URL="http://travel.cnn.com/singapore/visit/bringing-back-china-chinatown-782334"]China comes to Chinatown in Singapore | CNN Travel[/URL]
But I think I read from a poster here, that it was nearly 40% immigrants....which made me think that it must mostly be chinese mainlanders. Perhaps that information is a bit false.
Meanwhile, in HK and Macau, it seems that is is nearing 40%...granted I can't exactly tell without Chinese. Anyone out there with Chinese enough to view the Census Data and get more accurate data out there.
Specifically, what is the current Mainland Chinese percentage in SG? For that matter, how about Indian from India population in SG?
Part II, what is the Mainland Chinese percentage now living in HK? And in Macau?
Lastly, a little discussion about this. What do people think? To me, it seems that HK/Macau have distinct cultures separate from Mainland China. So a large influx really changes the culture significantly. SG, I am not as sure about, as it seems the Chinese-Singaporeans are a bit more removed from mainland China, generally.
About 40 to 60 percent of the residents of HK and Macau were born in Malaind China, most of whom being now middle-age or old people, and Mainland Chinese women married to local people, the percentage is higher for Macau. For Taiwan, the figure is less than 30 percent, mostly late 1940s to 1950s arrivals and recent arrivals being Mainland Chinese women married to Taiwanese men.
Most Chinese Southeast Asians are several generations away from Mainland China, settling in Southeast Asia before Japan invaded Southeast Asia, some arrived before the Europeans arrived in Southeast Asia. They are in many ways more distanced from Mainland China than the people of Taiwan, HK and Macau.
A thing to note is Mainland Chinese have very different culture and lifestyles depending on different eras and regions they originated. Different eras can be Qing, ROC on the mainland, Japanese occupied China, early PRC period, Cultural revolution period, early open door period(late1970s to 1980s) or recent era. Regions can differ from Cantonese, Teochew, Hakka, Minnan, Shanghai, Beijing, Southwestern China etc
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Originally Posted by Tiger Beer
Lastly, a little discussion about this. What do people think? To me, it seems that HK/Macau have distinct cultures separate from Mainland China. So a large influx really changes the culture significantly. SG, I am not as sure about, as it seems the Chinese-Singaporeans are a bit more removed from mainland China, generally.
I know some people in Hong Kong (especially some young people) do not want mainlanders to come.
The biggest issue is the manners and 'way' of Mainland Chinese. The loud yelling, the cutting in line, the oblivious to anything and everything, etc.
I'm in Macau, and just today, I was at the food court in the Venetian. I was waiting in line with people who all have tickets with their number. When the number is called, your food is ready. Mainlanders will continuously waive their tickets at the cooks and staff, until their food comes. They can't stand and wait properly. If you have been waiting patiently in front of them, they'll put their ticket over your shoulders, as if that'll get their order ready before you.
It's not JUST that, but when you are clearly waiting in line at the cash register, they'll regularly jump in the front. Fortunately the Macau cashiers see it, and just ignore them. But its an irritation to constantly try to maintain your spot in line with constant people trying to cut in front.
Regarding Hong Kong. I found it quite funny the recent story earlier this Summer, about the Mainlander who let her kid sh*t in the street, and walked away. I see mainlanders do that in Macau too. I was very closely watching the back-and-forth banter, and way strongly on the side of the Hong Kongers. It's no wonder so many Hong Kongers want to escape to Taiwan or somewhere else. Hong Kong is an amazingly beautiful city, but dealing with that stuff coming in from the outside, gets tiring.
Anyways, I realize that many people in Macau are quite tolerant of the Mainlanders, but for foreigners living in Macau, it gets draining. I love Macau people - they are considerate, know and follow the rules, and do very well at ignoring the bad behaviors of the mainlanders.
People might be asking how do I know the difference? It's easy to tell. Well, basically when I get near a casino, you can tell you have a ton of mainlanders as they are all carrying cameras, following tour groups around, and just have no sense of space, or order, and yelling loudly into phones and at their friends. When I'm just in the places that Macau people go, regularly daily shopping places, residential neighborhoods, than suddenly things just go back to 'normal' again. Very little of that, and tons of order and just way more relaxing.
Sometimes I think I'd rather deal with less Mainlanders, so sometimes think about looking more into Singapore or Hong Kong to live. HK feels great when I'm on Hong Kong Island (more international there), and the closer you get to the Shenzhen, I notice the more 'Mainlander' feel it sometimes gets.
As I really DO like Macau/Hong Kong/Singapore quite a bit, apart from the Mainlander tourist behaviors, I sometimes entertain the idea that perhaps I could get away from that a bit more in Singapore. Not to mention that Singapore will continue to be Singapore, whereas Macau/HK will eventually just be fully 'China' someday. But, maybe SG is dealing with the same influx and issues as well.
Why are Mainland Chinese viewed negatively?
They are increasing everywhere around the world as China relaxs its once strict emigration and travel policy. More Mainland Chinese will afford to travel and buy property overseas with the strong growth of the Chinese economy. China has the most population among all countries, it is not suprising you can see Mainland Chinese in large numbers outside of China. Indians, country with the second largest population, are increasing travelling overseas in large numbers as well.
About Singapore, Singapore has a much stricter immigration policy than HK and Macau, the Mainland Chinese with Singaporean PRs and citizenships are usually educated, talented or rich. Same kind of Mainland Chinese who emigrate to Canada, Australia and NZ.
I think the influx of mainland Chinese is further 'Sinifying' one segment of the Singaporean population, the more Mandarin speaking ones, that's why stuff like Jay Chou is popular among them. On the other hand, the more westernised Chinese, westernised Indians and some Malays don't relate to them so much. I would say many Singaporeans have negative views of them, some have more positive views, ask Singaporelady about it.
Of course culture is completely different. Singaporeans enjoy a lot of heavily-spiced food, while most Chinese food actually doesn't seem that spiced aside from chilli peppers, black pepper, five spice, cloves, cardamon, cinnamon, not so much things like turmeric or saffron.
Almost entirely because of behavior - not knowing how to act properly in a foreign country.
Loudly yelling, allowing their kids to sh*t in the public streets where people walk, not being able to queue in lines properly, not polite, complete unawareness of other people around them, etc.
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