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Ever since the second world war, Britain has been trying to spread democracy. But I think it's crazy how the UK has been one of the oldest modern democracies in the world, but didn't give a peace of that to Hong Kong... Just mad! But Britain was definitely all about imperialism prior to WW1!
The people of Hong Kong should have a UN sponsored referendum that allows them to choose between being British, being Chinese, or being independent of both. Period. It's called self determination.
Most (if not all) of the remaining British Overseas Territories have become more or less completely self governing except for defense and foreign affairs over the last 15-20 years. The role of the British appointed governor is largely ceremonial although he/she does have some political power.
The people of Hong Kong should have a UN sponsored referendum that allows them to choose between being British, being Chinese, or being independent of both. Period. It's called self determination.
Most (if not all) of the remaining British Overseas Territories have become more or less completely self governing except for defense and foreign affairs over the last 15-20 years. The role of the British appointed governor is largely ceremonial although he/she does have some political power.
I agree. Though don't think China will honer that somehow?
The people of Hong Kong should have a UN sponsored referendum that allows them to choose between being British, being Chinese, or being independent of both. Period. It's called self determination.
Most (if not all) of the remaining British Overseas Territories have become more or less completely self governing except for defense and foreign affairs over the last 15-20 years. The role of the British appointed governor is largely ceremonial although he/she does have some political power.
China ain't some weak nation. It's one of the most powerful in the world and one of the oldest in the world.
China wants to make rules instead of following rules made by westerners. Understand this, then you will understand China's behaviors
Ever since the second world war, Britain has been trying to spread democracy. But I think it's crazy how the UK has been one of the oldest modern democracies in the world, but didn't give a peace of that to Hong Kong... Just mad! But Britain was definitely all about imperialism prior to WW1!
Maybe "spreading democracy" is just an extension of missionary work which is so important for Christians.
Other people may not need it, at least not for now.
China ain't some weak nation. It's one of the most powerful in the world and one of the oldest in the world.
China wants to make rules instead of following rules made by westerners. Understand this, then you will understand China's behaviors
China is also a dictatorship that refuses to allow the people of Tibet, Taiwan, Macau, Hong Kong, and Xinjiang the internationally accepted right of self determination.
China is also a dictatorship that refuses to allow the people of Tibet, Taiwan, Macau, Hong Kong, and Xinjiang the internationally accepted right of self determination.
Anyone who does not agree with the US (and UK etc.) is immediately labeled as a dictatorship, or terrorist.
Talking about propaganda.
Keeping unified (大一统） is the core of Chinese culture, which will never change. China has always been a multi-national country too. If you try to interpret events in China from a western perspective, a lot of things don't make sense.
Anyone who does not agree with the US (and UK etc.) is immediately labeled as a dictatorship, or terrorist.
Talking about propaganda.
Keeping unified (大一统） is the core of Chinese culture, which will never change. China has always been a multi-national country too. If you try to interpret events in China from a western perspective, a lot of things don't make sense.
But Hong Kong doesn't wont China, at least communism! If the Chinese government doesn't listen to all those states, or provinces, or... whatever China calls them (I call them suppressed states!), then China will split up. It's just like the British Empire, if Westminster listened more to the overseas territories and where less racist, then Britain could still be an empire now! Same with China, if they don't change into a democracy, then the states that do want it will leave China! That's what I think anyway. On the other hand, one could ague that some countries that are over populated need a dictatorship. For example, India, a country with a population that will takeover China's at some point within the next decade or two, is a democracy and is filled with corruption. So I could perhaps understand that a little...
Love how the main Chinese news (CCTV News) hasn't even got any news about Hong Kong at all! This must be censored so the other Chinese people don't have the same ideas? Just goes to show how scared the Communist party is over there! CCTV News - China, World, Biz, Video, Live events - English_CCTV.com
Anyone who does not agree with the US (and UK etc.) is immediately labeled as a dictatorship, or terrorist.
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Uh, no. China is a single-party dictatorship with severely reduced civil liberties. The criticism is well-founded. I know that you will defend China regardless of its actions, but the rest of the world doesn't care about protecting your feelings, and the rest of the world doesn't care about protecting 'Chinese core values' if those values actively oppress its people.
You see, when people protest in large numbers - to the extent that entire roads are impassable - then you have a problem. The number one priority of a nation state is supposed to be about making its citizens happy - but the Chinese state does no such thing for Hong Kong or China in general, and the people of Hong Kong are making that explicitly clear - and the only reason no such thing is happening on the mainland is because they will more than likely get shot.
Sorry if it upsets you, and I'm so, so sorry if I come across as an self-righteous Westerner - but I don't care. Denying people the right to self-determination, and denying people the freedom of speech or freedom to protest, will never sit right with me, or anyone else in the West. We have fought so hard to get the civil liberties we have today and it's a repellent sight to see the civil liberties we take advantage of every day being outright denied to over a billion people, and it saddens me to see Chinese propaganda trolls such as yourself defending the Chinese state regardless of what it does.
Hong Kong is too good for China.
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