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Old 03-18-2015, 01:12 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Have you seen this? It's long (1h 40 min) but well worth watching all the way through. It's very compelling and thought-provoking, whether you're Chinese or not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6X2uwlQGQM

The beginning is a bit cut off. English subtitles are available, just click the "CC" button.

It lasted for a few days on Chinese social media before being banned - and of course YouTube is blocked in China, so as it stands, people in China can't legally view it anymore.

Which is a shame, because its message of citizen involvement and participation could, if adopted by enough people, make a real difference.
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Old 03-18-2015, 06:14 PM
 
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Dont worry. The cat's out of the bag. The Chinese government either gets serious about this and clean up the mess, or gets overthrown.
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Old 03-30-2015, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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I watched this on NPR about a month ago and 1/3 of the way through the subtitles disappeared so I was unable to finish. Thanks for posting.
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Old 03-30-2015, 03:55 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Dont worry. The cat's out of the bag. The Chinese government either gets serious about this and clean up the mess, or gets overthrown.
I doubt the government will be overthrown any time soon. People already knew about this before the documentary. Why do you think so many people try to emigrate from China?
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Old 03-30-2015, 04:08 PM
 
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I doubt the government will be overthrown any time soon. People already knew about this before the documentary. Why do you think so many people try to emigrate from China?
China government has done things 100 times worse than this (e.g. Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution...) and it was not overthrown.

China is making big progress in economic development so most people are still confident about the future.
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Old 03-30-2015, 04:17 PM
 
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China government has done things 100 times worse than this (e.g. Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution...) and it was not overthrown.

China is making big progress in economic development so most people are still confident about the future.
In the past, the Chines people were not well educated, nor were they connected and organized. Today, more are better informed and there are growing movements for environment protection and the technology exists for the Chinese to rally together, despite the Great Firewall. Sure China can still try to control what people read, but you cannot hide air poison, or avoid seeing the black muck in the water. It's either the Chinese government get serious about fixing the environment, or they wont have a country to run.

Don't think I wish this on China. I am simply noting what China faces.
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Old 03-30-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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In the past, the Chines people were not well educated, nor were they connected and organized. Today, more are better informed and there are growing movements for environment protection and the technology exists for the Chinese to rally together, despite the Great Firewall. Sure China can still try to control what people read, but you cannot hide air poison, or avoid seeing the black muck in the water. It's either the Chinese government get serious about fixing the environment, or they wont have a country to run.

Don't think I wish this on China. I am simply noting what China faces.
Every Chinese knows China is heavily polluted. It has nothing to do with the Firewall.
The Firewall only prevents attempts of organizing people to carry out some activities.

On the other hand, it is also true that all major developing countries are heavily polluted (unless there is no industry): India, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt ... But this is something people tend to ignore when they criticize China.

I think in China some people are patient, waiting for change. Others lost the patience. So we will see how it develops.
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Old 03-30-2015, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Singapore
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Every Chinese knows China is heavily polluted. It has nothing to do with the Firewall.
The Firewall only prevents attempts of organizing people to carry out some activities.

On the other hand, it is also true that all major developing countries are heavily polluted (unless there is no industry): India, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt ... But this is something people tend to ignore when they criticize China.

I think in China some people are patient, waiting for change. Others lost the patience. So we will see how it develops.
it is true that China is facing a very serious environmental crisis. However, if there is any government that can tackle this crisis, it is China's government. They have the experience and will to undertake mega-projects such as these; example, 3 gorges dam; they may soon come up with a national plan to tackle this problem.

The problem is whether the tycoons, the multi-billionaires, the industrialists can be reined in to prevent their industries from further polluting.
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