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Old 04-09-2015, 08:03 PM
 
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You'll be happy that japan gets completely nuked?

You people think China is still a military push-over? How do you think the Japanese could "drive out the communists in China"? What century are you living in? Another member of the genius squad.
Why are you arguing with the OP, this person is so obviously retarted, notice the anti-Communism sentiment, I think the op was maybe born in the 50s and indoctrinated by the McCarthy era.

 
Old 04-09-2015, 11:24 PM
 
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Why do the Japanese today continue to honor the war criminals? For example in 2013, anime creator Hayao Miyazaki made a film called The Wind Rises, which paints a designer of Japanese warplanes as a hero. Did the Japanese then (and still today?) think that they had to use torture to stop their country from being conquered by a foreign power during or after the war, whether it be the USA, USSR, or even Nazi Germany (who started out as their friend)?
Same reason we have Americans still honoring traitors (confederate soldiers)
 
Old 04-09-2015, 11:45 PM
 
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Same reason we have Americans still honoring traitors (confederate soldiers)
But you don't honor those who slaughtered Indians (unless they had other positive achievements).
 
Old 04-12-2015, 12:17 AM
 
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Correction: Western countries do/did not want any Asian country to be too powerful, whether it was Japan in the early 1900s, or China in the early 2000s.

It's funny how history repeats itself. China and Russia today are exactly like Japan and Germany 8 decades ago.
Why shouldn't an Asian country be the main hegemon in its own backyard? I certainly think that either China or Japan have far more of a right to be the leading hegemon in East Asia than the US because they share the same racial and cultural background as the rest of East Asia. The US is also thousands of miles away from the region which means it is a foreign interloper in that region. BTW as much as the US proclaims itself to be the hegemon in East Asia, the fact that a country with 1.3 billion people (which means more than half the population of East Asia) is not within its hegemony and is in fact a challenger to American hegemony means that the US is delusional about its stature in East Asia.

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But you don't honor those who slaughtered Indians (unless they had other positive achievements).
Andrew Jackson is on the 20 dollar bill and his "accomplishments" mostly consist of engaging in mass corruption aka the spoils system and dismantling the national bank and causing a recession. He also won a meaningless battle against the British in a war that already ended.
 
Old 04-12-2015, 03:13 AM
 
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Why shouldn't an Asian country be the main hegemon in its own backyard? I certainly think that either China or Japan have far more of a right to be the leading hegemon in East Asia than the US because they share the same racial and cultural background as the rest of East Asia. The US is also thousands of miles away from the region which means it is a foreign interloper in that region. BTW as much as the US proclaims itself to be the hegemon in East Asia, the fact that a country with 1.3 billion people (which means more than half the population of East Asia) is not within its hegemony and is in fact a challenger to American hegemony means that the US is delusional about its stature in East Asia."

Exactly. But for those nippophiles who can spell "Senkaku" correctly, but can't spell "Confucious" if their lives depend on it, American hegemony is the only one allowed.


"Andrew Jackson is on the 20 dollar bill and his "accomplishments" mostly consist of engaging in mass corruption aka the spoils system and dismantling the national bank and causing a recession. He also won a meaningless battle against the British in a war that already ended."

Yup, but of course, he was a "gentle" patriarch who "moved" those child-like native "savages" out of the way for their own good so that they won't get steamrolled by American Manifest Destiny. He was a real nice guy alright. I'm surprised those tibet freaks in the US don't boycott the use of the $20 bill, unless of course they think American Natives are less worthy of their love and care than the Tibetans.

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Old 04-13-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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Why do the Japanese today continue to honor the war criminals? For example in 2013, anime creator Hayao Miyazaki made a film called The Wind Rises, which paints a designer of Japanese warplanes as a hero. Did the Japanese then (and still today?) think that they had to use torture to stop their country from being conquered by a foreign power during or after the war, whether it be the USA, USSR, or even Nazi Germany (who started out as their friend)?
As other's stated before, "The Wind Rises" was as much of a biopic on Miyazaki in addition to the man who created the A5M (and later A6M) fighter. If I recall correctly the movie was release during the year he was rumored to retire and was meant to be his "magnum opus". The takeaway from the film, knowing Miyazaki's personal failings, is that an artist in pursuit of his art is never wrong (ergo, what others do with said creations, is not his responsibility)

The Yasukuni issue is obviously a matter that does deserve some nuance. It is ostensibly the shrine for all Japanese war dead since the Meiji Restoration and the interring of the "spirits" of the Class A war criminals were done in secret over the objections of the government at the time of said event. It should be noted that the Hirohito and his son Akihito has since then, refused to visit the shrine in protest, though politicians will on occasion do so for easy conservative votes. Another fact of interest is that many Koreans and Taiwanese who either volunteered (like former Taiwanese president Lee Tseng Hui and his brother) or were drafted in the the Imperial Navy and Army are also interred there.

It should also be noted that reparations in form of infrastructure and confiscated liquid assets of Japanese colonials were paid out to both China and Korea as a part of the San Francisco Treaty. The 1965 Normalization Treaty with Korea also has Japan paying out 300 Million USD in Grants and 500 Million USD in Low-Interest Loans to settle any additional claims issues. The then S. Korean government then used the vast majority of that money, including the 300 million meant for re-compensating victims on infrastructure construction.

It should also be noted that in a similar agreement with China, Mao waived any Chinese claims to reparations so you can hardly blame the Japs for not paying any (apart from the continual ODA loans made at below market interest rates).
 
Old 04-14-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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I wonder if lots of the Hong Kong people (Chinese and white alike) will eventually flee to either Australia or India, as both also were British colonies, and have large Chinese immigrant communities. It's such a disappointment that the USSR (after egging on the North Vietnamese to murder millions of Americans and South Vietnamese) is gone but China is still a red nation. If Japan attacked again and drove out the communists I would be happy.
What an ignorant post.

Why would anyone flee to India? To get democracy while taking a dump on the streets every day? There are millions of HKers in Canada, but many returned. It is a different culture, and many would rather stay home.

China is still a red nation, what are you, 65? What the hell does "red nation" mean exactly? If Japan attacks again, it will get its ass kicked, end of the story. It is not 1937, when China's economy was 10% of Japan's. Uncle Sam probably will drop another bomb in Japan if that happens, since it will definitely hurt America's business interest in China is attacked.

No matter what your agenda or wishful thinking is, China is rising and it is irreversible. Japan is going down rapidly. It will lose 1/3 of its population by 2050.
 
Old 04-14-2015, 12:33 PM
 
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I think it is pretty pathetic to judge an entire nation with a thousand-year-old history and culture exclusively on the basis of a single long-gone event. Isn't there more to Japan than WWII?
Yes, there is. For example, the 1895 Sino-Japanese war? And all the pirate attacks on China's east coast during various dynasties in history?

The funny thing is, when China was all rich and powerful, it never engaged a war to conquer Japan, while Japan invaded Korea and China so many times every time it gets a chance. Korea was once a tributary state to China, but China didn't send its soldiers to kill and rape millions of Koreans, did it?

Of course you pretend it didn't matter. No Japan wasn't always aggressive toward China, but most likely because it was a backward island unable to do anything to a power empire on its west. The minute it gained the power, it acts on its neighbours. But now Japan is considered the good guy, China is the aggressor.
 
Old 04-14-2015, 12:36 PM
 
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I wasn't talking about invasions at all, I was talking about the stupid claims over Senkaku Islands, South China Sea, and of course, Taiwan."..

Well, you can spell "Senkaku" well enough but you can't even do "Confucious" correctly? And now you think you can decide who owns these islands legitimately who doesn't? Stop embarrassing yourself.
He wishes he were Japanese or that Japanese were Taiwan's official language (which is considered "cool" by him). I think he embarrassed him enough on this forum. It is like a Pole wishing he were German.

I am 100% fine with Taiwan being independent. But all the Japan-admiration from Taiwanese sickens me more than a few times in my life.

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Old 04-14-2015, 01:01 PM
 
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Because Japanese people are the world's most polite racists
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