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If China is allowed the nine-dash lines then the Unclos will not apply in the SouthChina Sea. If it can’t apply in the South China Sea, it cannot apply in otherseas/oceans because other naval powers will demand the same right as China
There is no comparison between scs and Guam. No country doesn't believe that Guam is part of the US. China basically burned the agreement it made decades ago and now claims sea that nearly a dozen other countries also claim. The US doesn't need to lift a finger, China is creating it's own enemies. China also doesn't care at all about the environment of the scs, if they did they wouldn't be building bases, artificial islands, oil rigs, etc. China thinks they are doing this for their best interests, but they are shooting themselves in the foot. SE Asia is lining up to get military pacts with the US and other countries, why is that? Simple, China is bullying them. Vietnam used to be one of China's closest allies, and in the last year China issued an emergency recommending all Chinese citizens leave the country. These are 2 countries that fought together against the US and now Vietnam is reaching out to the US for a military alliance.
I honestly don't know who has the right to the scs, but I think China is making a poor decision.
There is no comparison between scs and Guam. No country doesn't believe that Guam is part of the US.
How is it no comparison? In 60 years, everyone will say the same about SCS, won't they?
Only ten years ago, every western leader was treating Dalai Lama as some sort of celebrity and couldn't wait to entertain him. When was the last time any of them (except Obama) met him officially?
How is it no comparison? In 60 years, everyone will say the same about SCS, won't they?
Only ten years ago, every western leader was treating Dalai Lama as some sort of celebrity and couldn't wait to entertain him. When was the last time any of them (except Obama) met him officially?
sounds like Guam, doesn't it?
But you wouldn't care, would you.
Except that the people of Guam are generally fine with being an American territory, no other nations claim it, and it's a small island in a remote island chain as opposed to being in the middle of the world's most major shipping lane and drastically closer to other nations that do claim it and have for some time.
Other than that, yeah... it sounds exactly like Guam!
Except that the people of Guam are generally fine with being an American territory, no other nations claim it, and it's a small island in a remote island chain as opposed to being in the middle of the world's most major shipping lane and drastically closer to other nations that do claim it and have for some time.
Other than that, yeah... it sounds exactly like Guam!
What are you talking about. Didn't Guam belong to Spain until 1898 before the US forcefully took it? Nobody claimed it?
And a small island in a remote island, you talk as if it bears so significant. Let's see, Spain wanted it, the US wanted it, then Japan wanted it, I guess that makes Guam strategically unimportant at all
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Originally Posted by Dangerous-Boy
How the heck does guam compare to the south china sea?
Stop eating the dog meat! Its bad for comparisons.
What are you talking about. Didn't Guam belong to Spain until 1898 before the US forcefully took it? Nobody claimed it?
And a small island in a remote island, you talk as if it bears so significant. Let's see, Spain wanted it, the US wanted it, then Japan wanted it, I guess that makes Guam strategically unimportant at all
Why is it not comparable?
Why don't you stop eating beef?
Guam, Puerto rico and Gibraltar have the same circumstances, they were acquired as a result of war at a time when the world goes by the law of the jungle. I thought the world wars changed that. that all conflicts should be settled peacefully at the UN.
but what do we know? the giant suddenly wakes up and missed all those imperial conquest in the past and would like to relive it
Guam, Puerto rico and Gibraltar have the same circumstances, they were acquired as a result of war at a time when the world goes by the law of the jungle. I thought the world wars changed that. that all conflicts should be settled peacefully at the UN.
but what do we know? the giant suddenly wakes up and missed all those imperial conquest in the past and would like to relive it
The world always goes by the law of the jungle, whether you like it or not. And it is unrealistic to expect everyone to live under the rules the US-led western countries created after the WWII that works best for themselves, after receiving the benefit of all the aggression and pillage they conducted prior to that. Now you expect everyone to live peacefully no matter how the power balance changes? Sorry, it doesn't work.
Do you know China started the AIIB? because as the second largest economy in the world, it is not allowed to have any say on world affairs, and everything is up to the old club of the US, Japan, UK, France etc. Of course these countries don't want the order to be disturbed.
And after acquiring all the overseas territory, the US, UK, France just expect to keep them since it is fait accompli and tells everyone else to live peacefully forever, yeah, you wish.
Oh, the UN? did the US give a rat's a** about the UN resolution when it decides to bomb Iraq or Yugoslavia? Apparently the UN card is only played when it suits its need? At least be consistent and avoid being so grossly hypocritical.
What are you talking about. Didn't Guam belong to Spain until 1898 before the US forcefully took it? Nobody claimed it?
And a small island in a remote island, you talk as if it bears so significant. Let's see, Spain wanted it, the US wanted it, then Japan wanted it, I guess that makes Guam strategically unimportant at all
Why is it not comparable?
Not comparable as Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands and Puerto Rico are inhabited and the South China Sea islands are not. Along with the Federated States of Micronesia, Palau and the Marshall Islands, the inhabitants actually need US financial aid. If China insists it's following the US footsteps, then they should allow Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau to hold a referendum on independence or what form of government the local people would like to have. The Spratlys, Paracel Islands and the South China Sea have nothing similar in their "history" with the US territories or former US territories.
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