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Old 05-19-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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China has only one ruling party that can make very quick and brash decisions to accomplish its goals while disregarding impacts of those decisions. The results can be wonderful if the decisions are well placed but can easily become disastrous.

Mao's goal with his great leap forward campaign was to use agriculture to industrialize China yet an after effect was the starvation and death of tens of millions of Chinese.

Governments need checks and balances. An unchecked single party government tends to overstep on the people it's meant to serve-corruption, human rights violations, lack of personal property, violence, etc.

A cornered single party government that has failed to deliver what it has promised will more likely use violence(at home, and abroad) to maintain power. (WW2 Germany, Japan, Italy,ect)

Communism is meant to spread power across its population but in reality becomes very similar to monarchy's power structure where one person is all powerful.
That's no longer the case in China. China hasn't had a single authoritarian ruler since Mao died. The Party cadres can turn on the General Secretary of the Party. It's not like North Korea where the position of General Secretary of the Korean Workers' Party is seen as equivalent to a king.
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Old 05-20-2015, 12:49 AM
 
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That's no longer the case in China. China hasn't had a single authoritarian ruler since Mao died. The Party cadres can turn on the General Secretary of the Party. It's not like North Korea where the position of General Secretary of the Korean Workers' Party is seen as equivalent to a king.
We will see what the communist party does when China misses on economic expectations and civil unrest increases. They will likely start a war through land grabs much like Russia.
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Old 05-20-2015, 10:34 AM
 
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We will see what the communist party does when China misses on economic expectations and civil unrest increases. They will likely start a war through land grabs much like Russia.
No, they won't. China isn't Japan for one, and two, China is definitely not like white people who have a thirst for blood and land grabbing. China is not going to start invading its neighbors for no reason at all, and China is not interested. China already claims all of its historical territory, it's finished. The only countries that China has historically controlled, but has instead given up claims to, are Vietnam and Mongolia. This doesn't count the current border disputes China has with India and Pakistan, though
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Old 05-20-2015, 02:27 PM
 
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No, they won't. China isn't Japan for one, and two, China is definitely not like white people who have a thirst for blood and land grabbing. China is not going to start invading its neighbors for no reason at all, and China is not interested. China already claims all of its historical territory, it's finished. The only countries that China has historically controlled, but has instead given up claims to, are Vietnam and Mongolia. This doesn't count the current border disputes China has with India and Pakistan, though
Let's be real, China wouldn't be the size that it is without a bloody past.
List of Chinese wars and battles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-20-2015, 06:37 PM
 
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Let's be real, China wouldn't be the size that it is without a bloody past.
List of Chinese wars and battles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So? That was then, this is now. Look at all the wars and battles the British have been involved in. You think the British are going to go out and colonize anytime soon? The Spanish? The French? No, that time is gone. Japan won't do it again, China is done. They have no interest in expanding their territory again, except Taiwan which is a part of China, whether PRC or ROC. Yetsreday, a king's reputation and respect depended on his nettle in battle. Then kings divorced themselves from battles and let the generals handled it. Times change. Your projection is stuck in the past. The Cold War is over.
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Old 05-20-2015, 07:57 PM
 
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So? That was then, this is now. Look at all the wars and battles the British have been involved in. You think the British are going to go out and colonize anytime soon? The Spanish? The French? No, that time is gone. Japan won't do it again, China is done. They have no interest in expanding their territory again, except Taiwan which is a part of China, whether PRC or ROC. Yetsreday, a king's reputation and respect depended on his nettle in battle. Then kings divorced themselves from battles and let the generals handled it. Times change. Your projection is stuck in the past. The Cold War is over.
There have been wars In the past and there will be wars in the future. Peace breeds war and war breeds peace. The more things change, the more things stay the same.
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Old 05-22-2015, 11:19 AM
 
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Chinese historical borders weren't really established by China itself, but by the Mongols who conquered down into SouthEast Asia and into Manchuria and Korea. Gradually over the centuries the Mongol dynasties in China simply became integrated back into China. In theory, one can say, what China claims as historical borders belongs to the Russian Federation and Mongolia.
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Old 05-22-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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Dear World,

We have decided to heed your calls for nonintervention in Syria as our recent foreign policy has been atrocious. However, it seems like your alternative has not been working out quite well. Unfortunately, Syria's leader continues to slaughter his citizens and use chemical warfare. In addition, his lack of control and comprise, and complete cruelty have contributed to the rise of the ISIS terrorist network and state. This is potentially the most threatening, organized terrorist group in history.

But hey, at least the US did not get involved right? We made the right decision, correct? You won't blame us for this result, promise?

Sincerely,
USA

P.S. Let us know when you really want to see the world burn.
And why am I reading this here?...because of course, this has to do with the topic of China and the South China Sea.

I mean dude, really, are you in the wrong thread?
Can't you guys make at least a less obvious method of straying so blatantly off topic?
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Old 05-22-2015, 12:17 PM
 
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Chinese historical borders weren't really established by China itself, but by the Mongols who conquered down into SouthEast Asia and into Manchuria and Korea. Gradually over the centuries the Mongol dynasties in China simply became integrated back into China. In theory, one can say, what China claims as historical borders belongs to the Russian Federation and Mongolia.
China expanded its borders far before the mongols waged war. Look up the southern expansion of the Han dynasty.

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Animated Map- History of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

People are more similar than they are different.

Asians excelled at disciplining their own population through violence and extremely harsh punishments. Their overarching principles of punishment was to punish so harshly that the population wouldn't dare think about breaking laws. China also pioneered the use of castration. Only castrated males were allowed to reside within the royal palace.

Five Punishments - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This explains why Asians tend to be meek and obedient.
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Old 05-22-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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China expanded its borders far before the mongols waged war. Look up the southern expansion of the Han dynasty.

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Animated Map- History of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cool map, but you will note in that map that the furthest and most dramatic extent was in the Yuan dynasty which was essentially Kublai Khan's domain and just one of the vast Mongolian provinces before being assimiliated into Chinese culture. The land down to Vietnam was won by the hard campaigning of Mongolian armies. It almost included Japan, but the Mongol's were uncessfull in that campaign.

Edit: Han dynasty indeed is extended further into SE Asia. I admit to not being well informed on that period of Chinese history. Have to do some research.

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