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Before some of you tough guy arm-chair general/cowards start running your mouth about how China will be decimated by the US in a military brawl, read the article. It's about a possible Diaoyu crisis, but a taiwan island crisis and its resolution could easily be drawn from what would happen there....
Remember that japan is actually an official ally, and taiwan does NOT have a defence treaty with the US. So, if the US won't even go all out to protect japan's fleet and assets, what's the chance that the US would attack China on taiwan's behalf? Read and learn something today.
China's antiquated navy and Air Force would be no match for the us. We would gain air superiority then bomb you into submission a war would go poorly for China.
China's antiquated navy and Air Force would be no match for the us. We would gain air superiority then bomb you into submission a war would go poorly for China.
Oh so you think you know more about Chinese capabilities than the folks at Rand and the Pentagon? Right, mister! Read the article I linked before you rattle your mouth for once.
^ the article didn't say that the US would get stomped or anything; on the contrary, it said that while the US would successfully destroy key Chinese targets all across the mainland and its navy would be shark food, Japan would still be decimated and the US would incur losses.
The US' Navy is hands-down the strongest in the world, as is its Air Force. China's navy and Air Force isn't "antiquated" but it's far behind the US'. Any way between the US and China would see a lot more naval and air power fighting than it would ground wars... the US Army is still drastically better-equipped and trained than the Chinese military, but the Chinese military would have the advantage of numbers, as well as being on home turf.
It's not gonna happen, anyways, so no one should worry too much.
^ the article didn't say that the US would get stomped or anything; on the contrary, it said that while the US would successfully destroy key Chinese targets all across the mainland and its navy would be shark food, Japan would still be decimated and the US would incur losses.
The US' Navy is hands-down the strongest in the world, as is its Air Force. China's navy and Air Force isn't "antiquated" but it's far behind the US'. Any way between the US and China would see a lot more naval and air power fighting than it would ground wars... the US Army is still drastically better-equipped and trained than the Chinese military, but the Chinese military would have the advantage of numbers, as well as being on home turf.
It's not gonna happen, anyways, so no one should worry too much.
The point of my link is to show that, even with the japanese home islands in danger and japanese naval and air force assets under severe duress, the US still hesitates to engage the Chinese in full force. So, as this thread asks the question about US support for taiwanese independence, it becomes very apparent that the US would NOT support it, at least militarily.
Taiwan isn't even a military treaty ally, so why would the US defend it, especially if taiwan chooses to do something as stupid as declare independence? You made the bed, you lie in it.
Of course the US military is still the strongest, given that US military budget is bigger than the next seven military budgets put together. But the point is that China is not a pushover anymore, and it has the capability to incur enough cost for the US not to engage it in full military combat for both japan and taiwan's sake. So, the US will not support taiwanese independence in any sort of military way. Maybe some inspiring words at the US security council meeting while the whole taiwanese defense crumbles in two days, at most.
By the way, I think if the US even dare to touch any mainland assets, be it military or civilian, China would use tactical nukes to take out bases in Guam and other places. If the US attack is more serious, the Chinese will resort to full nuke against the US mainland. No great power with nuke would tolerate any attack on its assets at home. No Chinese public will tolerate any place being bombed in China by the US without any sort of similar Chinese retaliation. The CCP knows this, and it will be overthrown if it did not respond forcefully in kind. This escalating nationalism on all sides is also what the article is trying to point out.
So the silly poster who posits that China would be bombed by the US with impunity is just demonstrating his utter ignorance and impotent chest thumping.
^ the article didn't say that the US would get stomped or anything; on the contrary, it said that while the US would successfully destroy key Chinese targets all across the mainland and its navy would be shark food, Japan would still be decimated and the US would incur losses.
The US' Navy is hands-down the strongest in the world, as is its Air Force. China's navy and Air Force isn't "antiquated" but it's far behind the US'. Any way between the US and China would see a lot more naval and air power fighting than it would ground wars... the US Army is still drastically better-equipped and trained than the Chinese military, but the Chinese military would have the advantage of numbers, as well as being on home turf.
It's not gonna happen, anyways, so no one should worry too much.
Tyranny of distance though. That gives China a gigantic advantage. I also think people grossly overrate America's military power projection abilities. The US has not fought a great power since 1945 and mostly fought minor powers. Fighting illiterate soldiers (like those from Iraq and Afghanistan) isn't exactly top notch military experience.
The point of my link is to show that, even with the japanese home islands in danger and japanese naval and air force assets under severe duress, the US still hesitates to engage the Chinese in full force. So, as this thread asks the question about US support for taiwanese independence, it becomes very apparent that the US would NOT support it, at least militarily.
Taiwan isn't even a military treaty ally, so why would the US defend it, especially if taiwan chooses to do something as stupid as declare independence? You made the bed, you lie in it.
Of course the US military is still the strongest, given that US military budget is bigger than the next seven military budgets put together. But the point is that China is not a pushover anymore, and it has the capability to incur enough cost for the US not to engage it in full military combat for both japan and taiwan's sake. So, the US will not support taiwanese independence in any sort of military way. Maybe some inspiring words at the US security council meeting while the whole taiwanese defense crumbles in two days, at most.
By the way, I think if the US even dare to touch any mainland assets, be it military or civilian, China would use tactical nukes to take out bases in Guam and other places. If the US attack is more serious, the Chinese will resort to full nuke against the US mainland. No great power with nuke would tolerate any attack on its assets at home. No Chinese public will tolerate any place being bombed in China by the US without any sort of similar Chinese retaliation. The CCP knows this, and it will be overthrown if it did not respond forcefully in kind. This escalating nationalism on all sides is also what the article is trying to point out.
So the silly poster who posits that China would be bombed by the US with impunity is just demonstrating his utter ignorance and impotent chest thumping.
The US could come up with a deterrent to nuclear strike maybe some kind of satellite system with lasers. If that happens all bets are off and China has no chance in a stand up fight without nukes.
The US could come up with a deterrent to nuclear strike maybe some kind of satellite system with lasers. If that happens all bets are off and China has no chance in a stand up fight without nukes.
Star Wars is technologically unfeasible. Missile defense also has a mixed reception and its effectiveness is highly debated. I am really not a big fan of spending taxpayers' money to support an Asian alliance system that has done nothing to raise the living standards of America (unless you count the increasing income inequality to be a victory). The only thing America's Asian alliance system has done is destroy America's manufacturing base to enrich a few people at the top.
Star Wars is technologically unfeasible. Missile defense also has a mixed reception and its effectiveness is highly debated. I am really not a big fan of spending taxpayers' money to support an Asian alliance system that has done nothing to raise the living standards of America (unless you count the increasing income inequality to be a victory). The only thing America's Asian alliance system has done is destroy America's manufacturing base to enrich a few people at the top.
What makes you think it is technologically unfeasible? I think it is imperative a deterant be developed to ICBM strikes. Once that happens the balance of power will shift solely to the US as we have the most powerful military in the world.
The US could come up with a deterrent to nuclear strike maybe some kind of satellite system with lasers. If that happens all bets are off and China has no chance in a stand up fight without nukes.
I think you are behind the times by a good decade or so. Where have you been? The Chinese are currently very actively working on all sorts of space asset weapons and lasers. I am sure the US is as well. Both are working on hypersonic ramjet engines and vehicles that can travel 7-10 times the speed of sound. Pretty impressive but China is doing all this along with the US. So your little wet dream about using these weapons to decimate China is yet another frustrating and limpy dud in your hand.
What makes you think it is technologically unfeasible? I think it is imperative a deterant be developed to ICBM strikes. Once that happens the balance of power will shift solely to the US as we have the most powerful military in the world.
Whoo hoo, we get to spend billions and possibly trillions to keep Taiwan independent while we let the education system and infrastructure fall apart. It was so great that we spent billions on the military instead of a universal health care system. It was also so great to open the American market to these allies and let them destroy what was left of America's manufacturing base while also opening up the labor market (aka mass immigration) to workers from these countries.
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