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Old 08-30-2020, 03:02 AM
 
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Haa you call indonesia people more dying?
Look around you, how many jobless begging on the street now? Look how desperate your jeepney driver? Look how desperate your ofw? How desperate your medical worker and the idea medical revolution.
The people there not dying from virus but pragmatic short plan.
And yes we can organize those all better!

Who said we just depending on China? We develop with other countries korea, uea and local vaccine. Btw sinovac trial countries are brazil, bangladesh, chile, turkey, indonesia

So where is your long term plan? No wonder when thailand make headline "Philippines Land of Covid"

More Indonesians are dying from Covid. That's how to gauge which country has worse Covid numbers. Covid case numbers really just tell you who is testing more. The Philippines has done more Covid tests than Indonesia despite having a much lower population. And you wonder why are case numbers are higher. But look at the number of Covid deaths. That will tell you more about who's handling it worse.



Develop your own vaccine without China's help. It's literally called SINOvac. It's from China. If you're so anti-China everything, why let them test their vaccine on your people?

 
Old 08-30-2020, 03:16 AM
 
Location: Tondo Manila
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More Indonesians are dying from Covid. That's how to gauge which country has worse Covid numbers. Covid case numbers really just tell you who is testing more. The Philippines has done more Covid tests than Indonesia despite having a much lower population. And you wonder why are case numbers are higher. But look at the number of Covid deaths. That will tell you more about who's handling it worse.

Develop your own vaccine without China's help. It's literally called SINOvac. It's from China. If you're so anti-China everything, why let them test their vaccine on your people?
Based on population then you boast 3000 dead in Ph vs 7000 dead in Indo when indo population is 2.5x than Ph??
Testing is short term, vaccine is long term, boasting number of testing for what when your dead people comparable to indonesia based population?

Indonesia develop local vaccine, merah putih vaccine ready mid 2021 not sinovac, also develop with other country korea and uea. Sinovac is bussines, sovereignty is different thing. OMG, if you anti USA i chalange u close all US company there. Moron!

So where is your long term plan? develop local vaccine? Or when your plan as guinea pig for russian vaccine?
Dont just only boast your fail pragmatic short plan.
 
Old 08-30-2020, 03:22 AM
 
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Based on population then you boast 3000 dead in Ph vs 7000 dead in Indo when indo population is 2.5x than Ph??
Testing is short term, vaccine is long term, boasting number of testing for what when your dead people comparable to indonesia based population?

Indonesia develop local vaccine, merah putih vaccine ready mid 2021 not sinovac, also develop with other country korea and uea. Sinovac is bussines, sovereignty is different thing. OMG, if you anti USA i chalange u close all US company there. Moron!

So where is your long term plan? develop local vaccine? Or when your plan as guinea pig for russian vaccine?
Dont just only boast your fail pragmatic short plan.

And you think even the numbers of deaths is correct? How so, when you've tested just 8,000 tests per million vs. the Philippines nearly 23,000 tests per million. You truly think that Indonesia's death numbers are also correct? Yeah right. That's just a fraction of it. And it's really shocking that even with such a small number of tests, you end up having way more deaths.


Also, your long term plan was "Everyone catch Covid. Herd immunity. No vaccine." So please don't tell me about "a long term plan" It's so funny that you're working with China for a vaccine. If it was the Philippines being tested with Sinovac, we would never hear the end of it.
 
Old 08-30-2020, 03:34 AM
 
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And you think even the numbers of deaths is correct? How so, when you've tested just 8,000 tests per million vs. the Philippines nearly 23,000 tests per million. You truly think that Indonesia's death numbers are also correct? Yeah right. That's just a fraction of it. And it's really shocking that even with such a small number of tests, you end up having way more deaths.


Also, your long term plan was "Everyone catch Covid. Herd immunity. No vaccine." So please don't tell me about "a long term plan" It's so funny that you're working with China for a vaccine. If it was the Philippines being tested with Sinovac, we would never hear the end of it.
Knowing that philhealth coruption issue, its no wonder when do more testing for money. You think there is no scam testing business?

Thats your problem as indonesia long term plan is not became land of covid.
And yes, you only point China when i ask your proges with other countres to develop vaccine, or at least local vaccine. None! Meanwhile Singapore, Thai, Indo, Vietnam develop their vaccine. How pathetic is that?
 
Old 08-30-2020, 03:38 AM
 
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Knowing that philhealth coruption issue, its no wonder when do more testing for money. You think there is no scam testing business?

Thats your problem as indonesia long term plan is not became land of covid.
And yes, you only point China when i ask your proges with other countres to develop vaccine, or at least local vaccine. None! Meanwhile Singapore, Thai, Indo, Vietnam develop their vaccine. How pathetic is that?

So what's your excuse for doing barely any testing but having many more deaths? What's your plan for the people who get Covid? Just die? Oh yeah, herd immunity is your plan.


If Indonesia develops its own vaccine, that's great. But it's hilarious that you criticize the Philippines but you are the ones letting them use you as guinea pigs for their vaccine.
 
Old 08-30-2020, 03:49 AM
 
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So what's your excuse for doing barely any testing but having many more deaths? What's your plan for the people who get Covid? Just die? Oh yeah, herd immunity is your plan.


If Indonesia develops its own vaccine, that's great. But it's hilarious that you criticize the Philippines but you are the ones letting them use you as guinea pigs for their vaccine.
So what your excuse do more testing when your dead number comparable to indo based population?
Its hilarious when do fail short plan and dont know what is the next plan.

Our plan is not became 'Land of Covid'
 
Old 08-30-2020, 03:59 AM
 
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So what your excuse do more testing when your dead number comparable to indo based population?
Its hilarious when do fail short plan and dont know what is the next plan.

Our plan is not became 'Land of Covid'

More testing = more confirmed cases --> more confirmed Covid deaths.

Indonesia is doing less testing (1/3rd the amount of the Philippines, per capita), so it has less cases, but still manages to have double the amount of deaths as the Philippines. So just imagine if Indonesia actually did 23,000 tests per million like the Philippines, instead of just 8,000 tests per million. The number of cases would be much higher, and the number of Covid deaths would be much higher too.

Your plan is definitely become land of Covid because from the beginning, you were pushing "herd immunity for all" So please don't try to change it now. You're not an educated person, so please don't try to act like one. You can barely string together a coherent sentence. I usually have no idea what you're even saying.
 
Old 08-30-2020, 04:11 AM
 
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More testing = more confirmed cases --> more confirmed Covid deaths.

Indonesia is doing less testing (1/3rd the amount of the Philippines, per capita), so it has less cases, but still manages to have double the amount of deaths as the Philippines. So just imagine if Indonesia actually did 23,000 tests per million like the Philippines, instead of just 8,000 tests per million. The number of cases would be much higher, and the number of Covid deaths would be much higher too.

Your plan is definitely become land of Covid because from the beginning, you were pushing "herd immunity for all" So please don't try to change it now. You're not an educated person, so please don't try to act like one. You can barely string together a coherent sentence. I usually have no idea what you're even saying.
Since you brag hospital bed percapita, its not work with your number confirmed covid death.
And knowing your philhealth corruption issue then no need to brag your number of testing

We have roadmap plan, meanwhile u? No roadmap? Testing, dead, testing more, and dead more
What next after testing?

Sorry my english is bad. I daily use bahasa, not english or taglish
 
Old 08-30-2020, 04:17 AM
 
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Since you brag hospital bed percapita, its not work with your number confirmed covid death.
And knowing your philhealth corruption issue then no need to brag your number of testing

We have roadmap plan, meanwhile u? No roadmap? Testing, dead, testing more, and dead more
What next after testing?

Sorry my english is bad. I daily use bahasa, not english or taglish

Actually Indonesia has more hospital beds per capita- 1.2 per 1,000 vs 1.0 per 1,000 for the Philippines. It's physicians per capita that Philippines has slightly more of. 0.4 physicians per 1,000 people in Indonesia vs. 0.6 per 1,000 in the Philippines

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.BEDS.ZS

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS

So the Philippines and Indonesia are essentially equal in that regard. But why does a much wealthier country (Indonesia) have around the same number of hospital beds and physicians as a much poorer country (the Philippines)??
 
Old 08-30-2020, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Tondo Manila
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Actually Indonesia has more hospital beds per capita- 1.2 per 1,000 vs 1.0 per 1,000 for the Philippines. It's physicians per capita that Philippines has slightly more of. 0.4 physicians per 1,000 people in Indonesia vs. 0.6 per 1,000 in the Philippines

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.BEDS.ZS

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS

So the Philippines and Indonesia are essentially equal in that regard. But why does a much wealthier country (Indonesia) have around the same number of hospital beds and physicians as a much poorer country (the Philippines)??
Yes i mean physicians per capita
You must know that those many filipino study as physicians want to work abroad to get better money. Most of them which are not qualified work with less wage in Philippines.

Meanwhile, its not dream for indonesian work abroad as physicians. We have more bed to cure, and hope we can hire cheap Filipino physicians soon
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