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Old 08-06-2016, 11:54 PM
 
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Obscure enigma South Korea, and Taiwan are not developing relations between each other in modern times of right now!? Between South Korea, and Japan there is subtle opposing contempt, yet they tend to replicate, copy, or modify lately. Taiwan is more open to negotiations with Japan, and embracing their own cultural immersion between each union.

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Old 08-07-2016, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Most of the things that we have in common that I can think of are bad ones, like rote education, terrible children policy, awful working hours and conditions, few vacations, hierarchical society, xenophobia, racism, the complete lack of political correctness, homophobia, sexism/chauvinism, low level of diversity ... I can go on.

One positive trait that is shared amongst the three is the low crime rate, but spree killing cases are getting more and more common due to the young underclass produced by such hostile environment.

I guess terrorist threat in these three is also at the bottom of the list as all three are all very under the radar as far as terrorism goes.
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:38 AM
 
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Obscure enigma South Korea, and Taiwan are not developing relations between each other in modern times of right now!?
South Korea is economically too much dependent on mainland China, therefore the government has to be very cautions to any deeper involvement with Taiwan. Same for Korean-Japanese relations. China tries to pull Korea on their side when it comes to trading and economical and strategical development of the area, whereas Korea always wants to stay neutral and keep a good relation with the US.

Compared to other countries, I would not say that only negative things are in common among the three countries. The basical confucianist legacy leads to very decent behavior, friendlyness, very low crime rates and a good social cohesion. People are working too much though, and do not enjoy their life often enough.
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Old 08-10-2016, 07:55 PM
 
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South Korea is economically too much dependent on mainland China, therefore the government has to be very cautions to any deeper involvement with Taiwan. Same for Korean-Japanese relations. China tries to pull Korea on their side when it comes to trading and economical and strategical development of the area, whereas Korea always wants to stay neutral and keep a good relation with the US.

Compared to other countries, I would not say that only negative things are in common among the three countries. The basical confucianist legacy leads to very decent behavior, friendlyness, very low crime rates and a good social cohesion. People are working too much though, and do not enjoy their life often enough.
Wow, incredible epiphany of a foreign diplomatic revelation. How have you figured this out from outside of mainland Asia? Genius! Now I understand those behind the scenes reasons why South Korea is not developing much if any relations towards Taiwan. Who knew a major trading partner has that much power?

Mainland China ending up having domineering control over the faith of South Korea's international activity is quite astonishing. As a result, people from Taiwan and South Korea barely know each other. Eventually, they might have more close intricate networks of foreign cohesion. People learning the similarities.
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Old 08-10-2016, 08:29 PM
 
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South Korea is economically too much dependent on mainland China, therefore the government has to be very cautions to any deeper involvement with Taiwan. Same for Korean-Japanese relations. China tries to pull Korea on their side when it comes to trading and economical and strategical development of the area, whereas Korea always wants to stay neutral and keep a good relation with the US.

Compared to other countries, I would not say that only negative things are in common among the three countries. The basical confucianist legacy leads to very decent behavior, friendlyness, very low crime rates and a good social cohesion. People are working too much though, and do not enjoy their life often enough.
Low crime rates are often a myth in Asia, a lot of crime (especially rape/sexual assault) happens more than you think but goes un-reported or the country itself has bad records/process records of such cases.


The problem with working too much is deep rooted in the fact that a lot of the older thinking style of Asians is too work hard, not smart, that and that most Asian economies are export dependent.
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Old 08-11-2016, 02:04 AM
 
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Wow, incredible epiphany of a foreign diplomatic revelation. How have you figured this out from outside of mainland Asia? Genius! Now I understand those behind the scenes reasons why South Korea is not developing much if any relations towards Taiwan. Who knew a major trading partner has that much power?

Mainland China ending up having domineering control over the faith of South Korea's international activity is quite astonishing. As a result, people from Taiwan and South Korea barely know each other. Eventually, they might have more close intricate networks of foreign cohesion. People learning the similarities.
Well, this all is not a secret, it is a very complicated story. Mainland China usally tried to force other countries in the world to accept their "one China policy", meaning that Taiwain is not a souvereign state but part of China. This is why many countries until today still do not have official diplomatic connections to Taiwan, as China is always threatening them to boycott them or whatever. Times ago, airlines that are flying to Taiwan were not even allowed to fly to Mainland China, due to that reason many Airlines founded subsidiaries such as "KLM Asia" which were only flying to Taiwan. These days, the conflict is a bit cooling down, there are even flights between China and Taiwan. Also since the early 90s, South Korea is establishing non-official relations to Taiwan and the trade volume is increasing significantly. They also can travel to each others countries without visa for some weeks. But still, Koreans have to be careful not to **** off the yellow dragon.

As the US uses a lot of trade agreements to exclude China, China is doing the same and developts relations to other countries and strategies for increase of their economic power. Such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Belt,_One_Road

In my opinion, countries in East Asia including Korea but also Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines should be careful not to give too much power to China and should keep a strong relations to the US. But it is their job to balance this difficult task and not to make one of the "powerful parties" angry.
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Old 08-11-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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Well, this all is not a secret, it is a very complicated story. Mainland China usally tried to force other countries in the world to accept their "one China policy", meaning that Taiwain is not a souvereign state but part of China. This is why many countries until today still do not have official diplomatic connections to Taiwan, as China is always threatening them to boycott them or whatever. Times ago, airlines that are flying to Taiwan were not even allowed to fly to Mainland China, due to that reason many Airlines founded subsidiaries such as "KLM Asia" which were only flying to Taiwan. These days, the conflict is a bit cooling down, there are even flights between China and Taiwan. Also since the early 90s, South Korea is establishing non-official relations to Taiwan and the trade volume is increasing significantly. They also can travel to each others countries without visa for some weeks. But still, Koreans have to be careful not to **** off the yellow dragon.

As the US uses a lot of trade agreements to exclude China, China is doing the same and developts relations to other countries and strategies for increase of their economic power. Such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Belt,_One_Road

In my opinion, countries in East Asia including Korea but also Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines should be careful not to give too much power to China and should keep a strong relations to the US. But it is their job to balance this difficult task and not to make one of the "powerful parties" angry.
This is a new challenge...this type of relationship (US-Asian country, China-Asian Country) was much easier pre 2000s when China was still weak economically and militarily. This relationship will get increasingly more difficult even more once the gap closes by 2025.
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:58 PM
 
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Well, this all is not a secret, it is a very complicated story. Mainland China usally tried to force other countries in the world to accept their "one China policy", meaning that Taiwain is not a souvereign state but part of China. This is why many countries until today still do not have official diplomatic connections to Taiwan, as China is always threatening them to boycott them or whatever. Times ago, airlines that are flying to Taiwan were not even allowed to fly to Mainland China, due to that reason many Airlines founded subsidiaries such as "KLM Asia" which were only flying to Taiwan. These days, the conflict is a bit cooling down, there are even flights between China and Taiwan. Also since the early 90s, South Korea is establishing non-official relations to Taiwan and the trade volume is increasing significantly. They also can travel to each others countries without visa for some weeks. But still, Koreans have to be careful not to **** off the yellow dragon.

As the US uses a lot of trade agreements to exclude China, China is doing the same and developts relations to other countries and strategies for increase of their economic power. Such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Belt,_One_Road

In my opinion, countries in East Asia including Korea but also Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines should be careful not to give too much power to China and should keep a strong relations to the US. But it is their job to balance this difficult task and not to make one of the "powerful parties" angry.
Are Taiwan and South Korea ever going to establish more complex intricate close relations in the future? Despite the affirmative actions of China behind the background, the situation between Taiwan and that country remains quite stable enough to describe a calm tentative situation forever. Very fortunate affair, yet these subtle actions to affect where Taiwan is handling diplomacy is drastically altering how South Korea-Taiwan ultimately interact. Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines aren't really having to obtain any dependence on China, or the USA because having too much dominance is simply wrong, and not necessary. They have more obligations to further increase volume of activity to Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia much more to their own next door neighbors. All are emerging economies and improving the original ground frame of everything real outside of those narrow barriers simultaneously right now.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:48 PM
 
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^I don't think Korea cares enough to build up any further relations with us. I bet lots of Koreans don't even know where Taiwan is.
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Old 10-13-2016, 03:05 PM
 
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South Korea is economically too much dependent on mainland China, therefore the government has to be very cautions to any deeper involvement with Taiwan. Same for Korean-Japanese relations. China tries to pull Korea on their side when it comes to trading and economical and strategical development of the area, whereas Korea always wants to stay neutral and keep a good relation with the US.

Compared to other countries, I would not say that only negative things are in common among the three countries. The basical confucianist legacy leads to very decent behavior, friendlyness, very low crime rates and a good social cohesion. People are working too much though, and do not enjoy their life often enough.
Korea doesn't have bad relations with Japan because of China. Korea has good relations with China because of Japan, at least in part. Keep in mind, South Korea is unique in the world in that it is the only country, along with China, in which the majority of citizens view Japan negatively. As far as Koreans believe, they can basically ignore Japan while having great relations with the United States, which, to be fair, has proven to be true.

Thing is, most South Koreans don't really care about Taiwan, even though a lot of people in Taiwan seem to think South Korea is Taiwan's rival, despite South Korea tiers above. Same way South Korea sees Japan, despite Japan being tiers above (well, maybe tier, since there are so few nations between).

It is also a bit of "you scratch my back and I scratch your back." South Korea benefits in other ways by being mostly silent on China's disputes with Japan and China. By coming off as largely neutral towards China's ambitions, in an area in which the majority of nations seem opposed, South Korea gets China's backing against Korea's own disputes with Japan, namely historic ones and Japan's claim of South Korean controlled Liancourt.

China has also been pretty reluctant to push South Korea on the subject of Socotra Rock, which very well could change if South Korea began siding with Japan or siding strongly with SEA nations, neither of which would give South Korea much benefit.
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