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201 of 247 seats declared as of the time of reporting with a 71% turnout. Among others, Junius Ho, the controversial pro-Beijing lawmaker who was seen shaking hands with the white-shirt triads whose violence was arguably the first major escalation in what has led to the full-scale riots, was voted out by his constituents who many in the pro-BJ camp had previously said represented the "real Hong Kongers" in the New Territories.
I don't think Beijing is gonna be happy about this.
I always supported the pro-democracy camp. One of the first good news from HK, although quite expected.
If this had been combined with peaceful protests I would be very hopeful for HK future. Now I know it will end in failure, because soon the violence will return and the economy will keep collapsing. Beijing do not need to do anything, just wait it out while those new local lawmakers fail to get the five demands or fix the economy.
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Originally Posted by Greysholic
In b4 Camlon the Scandinavian wumao chiming in with his BS violent protester theories.
Lol, someone is mad.
You are the user who said you would not care if millions of chinese got massacred. You also said you hope China revert to communism so the economy collapse. I bet this is only the tip of the iceberg of your hate towards Chinese, so I called you out, and you got mad. Not because I am the most pro-China user, but because you expect someone like me to agree with your promotion of violence, bigotry and hate.
We still remember your massacre chinese and hope China collapse economically comments. As a taiwanese hating chinese, you are driven hate, and not what is best for HK. You also hate me, not because I am the most pro-China user, but because you expect someone like me to agree with your promotion of violence and hate.
I always supported the pro-democracy camp, so this is good to see. If this had been combined with peaceful protests I would be very hopeful for HK future. Now I know it will end in failure, because soon the violence will return and the economy will keep collapsing.
Beijing do not need to do anything, just wait it out while those new local lawmakers fail to get the five demands or fix the economy.
The offices are for local district elections. They're akin to being a city council representative, and their concerns would be about really local matters such as public services such as refuse disposal, streets maintenance, etc. So their portfolio isn't going to be about the five demands or economic policies.
That said, these district reps will have a bit of influence on bigger political questions (though not a lot) - such as being represented up to 117 of the 1200 reps who get to vote on the next Chief Executive.
It is also a clear political message sent to the current government about the popular sentiment in Hong Kong. That's on Carrie Lam and her folks to heed or ignore, with possible consequences.
And, consider long term effects - these district council offices can be a springboard for other political offices in the future. I'd expect some of these folks to run for Legco (Legislative Council) later.
The offices are for local district elections. They're akin to being a city council representative, and their concerns would be about really local matters such as public services such as refuse disposal, streets maintenance, etc. So their portfolio isn't going to be about the five demands or economic policies.
That said, these district reps will have a bit of influence on bigger political questions (though not a lot) - such as being represented up to 117 of the 1200 reps who get to vote on the next Chief Executive.
It is also a clear political message sent to the current government about the popular sentiment in Hong Kong. That's on Carrie Lam and her folks to heed or ignore, with possible consequences.
And, consider long term effects - these district council offices can be a springboard for other political offices in the future. I'd expect some of these folks to run for Legco (Legislative Council) later.
Just want to point something out, the democracy candidates did not do that well. They pro-beijing camp got 41% of the vote which is about the same as the 2016 legco elections. The support for the goals of the protestors is definitely more than 60%, so in a way the pro-democracy camp underperformed. We already knew that the HK people support real democracy in Hong Kong, so this election does not say anything new.
The question is not if the goals of the protests have popular support, but how do HK get it. Through violence like Greysholic wants, or through peaceful protests like I want.
The problem for the violent protestors is that Carrie Lam is not the one who decide over HK future, Beijing does. They have no reason to give in, unless it benefits them. Violence just makes it less likely for HK people to get what they want, and it makes it much more likely that China will just give up on HK and let it fade into irrelevance.
The reason is complex, some big others small.
For example, young people in Hong Kong do not watch mainland TV shows due to language barrier. Their textbooks do not contain much patriotism content (but only about Hong Kong)... and of course the politics of China...
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