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Old 06-14-2017, 03:50 PM
 
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China is building lots of ports and made lots of investment in Panama now. It will have more influence than US in the near future
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The US secured the Panama Canal Zone because we built it. Panama will never give up the Canal Zone now, that would be beyond stupid. Panama is in control of the Canal just like they should be. It's nore likely China will build a Canal elsewhere in Central America, but I don't see that happening either.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:52 PM
 
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That is the point. Taiwan can continue to operate as an economy, but not as a country, just like HK. China did not occupy HK after the handover. It is business as usual. But HK is still part of CHina. The same goes to Taiwan

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The thing is, it doesn't effect trade or visa policies. Panama isn't ending any trade with Taiwan and Panamians can still go to Taiwan. Taiwanese ships can still go through the Panama Canal. The embassy changes to a trade mission, that's about it.
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Old 06-14-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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two different situations. North and South koreas have similar populations, no one is able to absorb the other. Korean war was a truce. China is 50 times the population of Taiwan and PRC defeated ROC fair and square in the civil war.

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Though it is out of topic, it is silly for Beijing to insist on "One China" upon other countries. (Taipei wouldn't mind Beijing establish diplomatic relationship with any country as long as it does not force that country to disrupt diplomatic relationship with Taipei.)

When Beijing claims that any country plays with "Two Chinas" or "One China One Taiwan" would hurt the "passion of every Chinese", do they realize that when it plays along the "Two Koreas" for decades, it also hurts the "passion of every Korean"?

So now it backfires with North Korea @#$% China on its official media and South Korea installing THAAD, does Beijing realize that is a consequence of its hypocritical and pathetic "Two Korea" policy?
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:00 PM
 
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The purpose of China is not to affect the ordinary people in Taiwan. It wants to deter the independence movements. If you follow the news in Taiwan, you will realize that China has achieved a lot of its goals.
The political wind in Taiwan has been shifting in China's favor

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Other than slightly unhappy about the news, people in Taiwan are not much affected.

Not too many Taiwanese live in Panama any way. Shipping giant like Evergreen in Panama will likely be business as usual. Maybe there will be more PRC flags than ROC flags hoisting in the Chinatown in Panama City.

Taiwan is actually faring better now diplomatically than when it had diplomatic relationship with 40, 50, 60,...countries.

During the recent decades, Taiwanese has gained visa free access to many important countries like US, all EU countries, Japan,.....etc. That is utmost important for Taiwan to maintain contact with much of the world.

In comparison, North Korea maintains diplomatic relationship with at least 47 countries. But can their citizens go anywhere without visa?
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Old 06-14-2017, 04:37 PM
 
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Population wise, South Korea doubles that of North Korea. South Korea's economy is 40 times larger than that of North Korea.

According to your logic that which side has the bigger pie has the say, then North Korea is not a country but merely province of South Korea.

In fact, many countries in the world adhere to "One Korea" policy, i.e. US. In manipulating the hypocritical "Two Korea" policy, Beijing is hurting the passion of all Koreans, north and south included.

And before 1988, South Korea was labeled as the "US puppet regime of South Chosun" by Beijing. So after Seoul installed THAAD, has it become a puppet regime of US again?
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Old 06-14-2017, 07:47 PM
 
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China is building lots of ports and made lots of investment in Panama now. It will have more influence than US in the near future
That could be true, time will tell. But that doesn't have anything to do with controlling the Canal Zone. Panama will continue to control that.

I said it was a smart move for Panama to recognize China and the reason is to get access to Chinese investment banks, Taiwan doesn't have the capability to invest in other countries since they are a small island nation. If I was a small country I would court China as well, China is good at building infrastructure.

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That is the point. Taiwan can continue to operate as an economy, but not as a country, just like HK. China did not occupy HK after the handover. It is business as usual. But HK is still part of CHina. The same goes to Taiwan
As I said before, if Taiwan wants to rejoin China, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with China invading and occupying China. I also have no problem with China's 1 country 2 systems policy with Hong Kong and Macau.
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Old 06-15-2017, 04:16 AM
 
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As a former Chinese citizen, I would say China currently doesn't deserve Taiwan. Taiwan just passed the same sex marriage law, which is sufficient to prove China is decades behind it.

BUt it is the new TW president's stance that pushes China to be increasingly agressive in diplomacy. She is not doing TW much favour. Nationalism is always stupid.
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Old 06-15-2017, 04:18 AM
 
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two different situations. North and South koreas have similar populations, no one is able to absorb the other. Korean war was a truce. China is 50 times the population of Taiwan and PRC defeated ROC fair and square in the civil war.
sorry, but that would not be a "civil war".
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Old 06-15-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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lol. Since when do we rank a country based on their same marriage law? Is it legal in Japan? in Singapore? in all those Asian "developed" countries?
TW is just a puppet dog following the west footsteps. So pathetic

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As a former Chinese citizen, I would say China currently doesn't deserve Taiwan. Taiwan just passed the same sex marriage law, which is sufficient to prove China is decades behind it.

BUt it is the new TW president's stance that pushes China to be increasingly agressive in diplomacy. She is not doing TW much favour. Nationalism is always stupid.
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Old 06-15-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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Without outside interference, no side can take over the other in the Korea situation.
Without outside interference, China would occupy TW in hours

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Population wise, South Korea doubles that of North Korea. South Korea's economy is 40 times larger than that of North Korea.

According to your logic that which side has the bigger pie has the say, then North Korea is not a country but merely province of South Korea.

In fact, many countries in the world adhere to "One Korea" policy, i.e. US. In manipulating the hypocritical "Two Korea" policy, Beijing is hurting the passion of all Koreans, north and south included.

And before 1988, South Korea was labeled as the "US puppet regime of South Chosun" by Beijing. So after Seoul installed THAAD, has it become a puppet regime of US again?

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