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Old 01-23-2019, 05:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by hohohihi View Post

Reading comprehension fail!!!

u know that mean signature? every city in Indonesia has signature dishes,...
those food i post just signature food from Jakarta

Off course u can find all Indonesia food from every city, international food, Fast Food in Jakarta
Then dont bother posting them sweetie because they are unknown foods worldwide. Our topic were foods known worldwide so stay on topic.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:37 PM
 
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^^Try checking backread, its the other way around.

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Originally Posted by manolopo View Post
I haven't seen any objective source that ranks Jakarta as higher than Manila in overall quality of life. Jakarta might rank higher on certain aspects (like trains, malls, highways, food) but not in overall quality of life. There are two main organizations that rank "liveability"

The first is Economist Intelligence Unit’s global liveability index. This index "examines over 30 factors across five broad categories: stability, healthcare, culture and environment, education and infrastructure"

Manila is ranked 103, while Jakarta is ranked 119. I cant find the full list for 2018, but this source mentions both Jakarta and Manila.
http://www.travelweekly-asia.com/Destination-Travel/The-world-s-most-liveable-city-The-results-are-in


Next is Mercer's Quality of Living Survey. "The quality of living survey is conducted to help governments and major companies place employees on international assignments." So while the first index I mentioned is more about quality of life for everyone in the city, this survey has more focus on quality of life for international business-people who move to a new country. It's still about overall quality of life, but it weighs factors that expats care about more heavily than the first survey

In 2018, Manila is ranked 137 while Jakarta is ranked 142
https://www.mercer.com/newsroom/2018-quality-of-living-survey.html


^That's the overall ranking in that index. They also have a sanitation index, but I cant find the list anywhere. But I can thankfully say that Manila and Jakarta aren't in the very bottom because Mercer specifically mentioned the bottom 10, and they're not on this list
https://mobilityexchange.mercer.com/...-16-155653-413


In 2016, Mercer also had a personal safety ranking. "The personal Safety Ranking is based on the following criteria: Relationship with other countries, Internal Stability, Crime and Law Enforcement"

Jakarta was 172
Manila was 182
https://www.mercer.us/newsroom/western-european-cities-top-quality-of-living-ranking-mercer.html

So Manila scored worse on that aspect of the survey.


But the Economist (the same organization that did the first index I mentioned) also had an index specifically about safety, from 2017.

Manila scored higher for safety- 54.86, while Jakarta scored 53.39. In this index, the higher score means the safer city.

I' m most skeptical about this index because obviously Manila has more crime. But this index involves more than crime. It involves "digital security, health security, infrastructure security and personal security." They also mention that weather, terrorism, and traffic accidents are also factors. So it's not all about crime. If a lot of people in your city get hit by cars, it can contribute to a worse ranking because people aren't safe in that aspect. So according to this index, Manila is an overall safer city. I'm still skeptical...
http://safecities.economist.com/safe-cities-index-2017


And if we talk about the countries as a whole, the Philippines scores higher on the Human Development Index. .699 for HDI and .574 when adjusted for inequality. Indonesia scored slightly lower and .694 for HDI and .563 for IHDI. I know a lot of people dont care about HDI because it has factors like education and gender equality, but there are so many other factors involved and you can compare both countries here:
http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/IDN
http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/PHL
Nailed it.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:45 PM
 
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and u post the food review outside the city ?
LOL
Why not? You started lambasting the Filipino food in general not Manila food. Im just defending the Filipino food which are also foods available in Metro Manila. You and your co-Indones also posted Indonesias foods outside Jakarta, what makes you or us exempt to do as well?
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:50 PM
 
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Can't believe this got buried in discussions about food. So I'm posting it again so you can read it. Food is subjective, and it's not even a measurable factor. Let's talk about actual quality of life.


I cant find a source that ranks Jakarta as higher than Manila in overall quality of life. Jakarta might rank higher on certain aspects (like trains, malls, highways, food) but not in overall quality of life. There are two main organizations that rank "liveability"
The first is Economist Intelligence Unit’s global liveability index. This index "examines over 30 factors across five broad categories: stability, healthcare, culture and environment, education and infrastructure"

Manila is ranked 103, while Jakarta is ranked 119. I cant find the full list for 2018, but this source mentions both Jakarta and Manila.
http://www.travelweekly-asia.com/Destination-Travel/The-world-s-most-liveable-city-The-results-are-in


Next is Mercer's Quality of Living Survey. "The quality of living survey is conducted to help governments and major companies place employees on international assignments." So while the first index I mentioned is more about quality of life for everyone in the city, this survey has more focus on quality of life for international business-people who move to a new country. It's still about overall quality of life, but it weighs factors that expats care about more heavily than the first index

In 2018, Manila is ranked 137 while Jakarta is ranked 142
https://www.mercer.com/newsroom/2018-quality-of-living-survey.html


^That's the overall ranking in that index. They also have a sanitation index, but I cant find the list anywhere. But I can thankfully say that Manila and Jakarta aren't in the very bottom because Mercer specifically mentioned the bottom 10, and they're not on this list
https://mobilityexchange.mercer.com/...-16-155653-413


In 2016, Mercer also had a personal safety ranking. "The personal Safety Ranking is based on the following criteria: Relationship with other countries, Internal Stability, Crime and Law Enforcement"

Jakarta was 172
Manila was 182
https://www.mercer.us/newsroom/western-european-cities-top-quality-of-living-ranking-mercer.html

So Manila scored worse on that aspect of the survey.


But the Economist (the same organization that did the first index I mentioned) also had an index specifically about safety, from 2017.

Manila scored higher for safety- 54.86, while Jakarta scored 53.39. In this index, the higher score means the safer city.

I' m most skeptical about this index because obviously Manila has more crime. But this index involves more than crime. It involves "digital security, health security, infrastructure security and personal security." They also mention that weather, terrorism, and traffic accidents are also factors. So it's not all about crime. If a lot of people in your city get hit by cars, it can contribute to a worse ranking because people aren't safe in that aspect. So according to this index, Manila is an overall safer city. I'm still skeptical...
http://safecities.economist.com/safe-cities-index-2017


And if we talk about the countries as a whole, the Philippines scores higher on the Human Development Index. .699 for HDI and .574 when adjusted for inequality. Indonesia scored slightly lower and .694 for HDI and .563 for IHDI. I know a lot of people dont care about HDI because it has factors like education and gender equality, but there are so many other factors involved and you can compare both countries here:
http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/IDN
http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/PHL


So there you have it. Manila ranks higher on overall quality of life.

Last edited by manolopo; 01-23-2019 at 05:58 PM..
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:14 PM
 
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About Manila & Jakarta

https://www.spottedbylocals.com/blog...-gamma-cities/ ( Jakarta Win )

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmo.../#3501f60b4f9b

https://trip101.com/article/manila-vs-jakarta

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Old 01-23-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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None of these have to do with actual quality of life.

Alpha, beta, gamma etc deals with which cities are more economically powerful. Jakarta is ranked Alpha world because it's the capital of one of the largest countries on earth. There's a lot of wealth in Jakarta and Indonesia. But still, the quality of life is lower, from what I showed in my post. That's what actually matters.

Manila is ranked Alpha−, so that's not bad at all. Bangkok and Barcelona are also in that same category. That doesnt mean Jakarta is better city than Bangkok or Barcelona, it just has more economic power. I dont think Manila is better or even on the same level as Bangkok or Barcelona, even though it's in the same ranking level.

The last link you posted is just a blog, not a reputable source. And it even has Manila on top.

MANILA: 63/80

JAKARTA: 61/80



so that's not helping your case.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:25 PM
 
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Jakarta Always Stunning


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGs-62W0Ts4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eAYi_Fq0d8
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by manolopo View Post
None of these have to do with actual quality of life.

Alpha, beta, gamma etc deals with which cities are more economically powerful. Jakarta is ranked Alpha world because it's the capital of one of the largest countries on earth. There's a lot of wealth in Jakarta and Indonesia. But still, the quality of life is lower, from what I showed in my post. That's what actually matters.

Manila is ranked Alpha−, so that's not bad at all. Bangkok and Barcelona are also in that same category. That doesnt mean Jakarta is better city than Bangkok or Barcelona, it just has more economic power. I dont think Manila is better or even on the same level as Bangkok or Barcelona, even though it's in the same ranking level.

The last link you posted is just a blog, not a reputable source. And it even has Manila on top.

MANILA: 63/80

JAKARTA: 61/80



so that's not helping your case.
Jakarta is always above manila
manila is equivalent to ho chi minh

MANILA still has many disadvantages, especially poverty, urban infrastructure, transportation and so on compared to Jakarta
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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Jakarta is always above manila
manila is equivalent to ho chi minh

MANILA still has many disadvantages, especially poverty, urban infrastructure, transportation and so on compared to Jakarta
But you havent proved that at all. Nothing objective and no reputable source about quality of life. You even posted a blog that shows Manila as ranked HIGHER THAN JAKARTA. Do more research.

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Jakarta Always Stunning

What is stunning? How is that a good experience? All I can think about is how unpleasant, boring, and lonely it looks to walk around. He's one of the few people walking around because there's nothing on the street level for walkers to do or see. You just stare at skyscrapers. That's it.

Skip to 1:53 so you can avoid the long part of him and his wife staring at the camera.

He talks a lot about how nice the area is, and the video clearly shows it. And you see all the people out there enjoying it, because it's a nice vibrant area.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:36 PM
 
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Did I say Indonesia have? Reading comprehension fail. Did I say Indonesia or world? Just bang your head, that way you would probably understand the sentence premise.
I love your sarcasm, read it ...
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And do you have already extensive hyperloop system in the world that we can behold? We do the actual visualization of realistic assessment not the thing of the future.


Anyway, I'll be nice to you. Here I give you, who say BRT is no different from Premium P2P bus or whatever, a video about BRT in Southeast Asia ... And hey, Manila actually is there too

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