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Old 08-26-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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Old 08-26-2017, 01:44 PM
 
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Phones/brands are nothing much more than an assembly chain.

Software is where Asians really are lacking in and is probably the most sophisticated bit/top of the chain. Once they get big enough, countries will build supply chains. America, Japan, South Korea, Germany (though they don't have any phone brands widely known nor produce them) and China have sufficient component suppliers to build a phone.

Make no mistake, Samsung and Huawei have come a long way since the early days of smart phones, to the extent neither now solely rely on Qualcomm for chips, both able to produce their own ARM based designs. Still not as good as Qualcomm overall but there is no longer a a total reliance.

Americans - Apple and Google are well on the software front, in fact, they have an iron grip. Samsung tried and failed with the Tizen OS simply because it struggled to get compatibility or a decent enough eco system. When you think about it, they were smart enough to focus on the software....hardware can be easily duplicated somewhat by China...
Samsung products are great but yeah the OS is Android on most of their phones..that's very true hardware is easily replicated / copied. I give them a lot of credit for coming up with something like the J3 line of Galaxy phones which is basically a well balanced, quality budget smartphone. I'll support them any day over Apple. Apple tech is great but I am not a fan of Apple as in how they do things and operate, and I never liked Steve Jobs. I have no problem with Microsoft, Oracle or Google though.
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Old 08-26-2017, 03:41 PM
 
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Just read that in 2012 Japan was 1st in the world by number of patents (applications and granting of patents too).

But 'who cares', people still prefer US over Western Europe (the only 2 places in the world!) because: "innovation and no mozies!" -:P.

It's the same even in 2017!

https://www.ft.com/content/dbb3bc26-...6-25f963e998b2
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Old 08-26-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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Just read that in 2012 Japan was 1st in the world by number of patents (applications and granting of patents too).

But 'who cares', people still prefer US over Western Europe (the only 2 places in the world!) because: "innovation and no mozies!" -:P.

It's the same even in 2017!

https://www.ft.com/content/dbb3bc26-...6-25f963e998b2
Whats a mozie?
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Old 08-26-2017, 04:37 PM
 
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Whats a mozie?
Muslims.
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Old 08-27-2017, 03:16 AM
 
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.that's very true hardware is easily replicated / copied......
Hardware is not easily duplicate. In fact, they are very very complex. Computer, for example, has millions of components inside. CPU main chip processors alone have millions of transistors and other parts inside. It is very very hard to figure how they interact with each other electrically totally, because the designer who understand the physics, material and electric principles, design it very creatively. They are always built on the previous generations and blueprints. Just like Coca Cola coke formula. They keep it in a secret bank. No ones exactly know what it is maybe except very very few people. WD-40 brand product is another example. No ones to these days has exactly duplicated the same thing.

If it were so easily to duplicate, China will have overtaken Intel and Nvidia in chip business or Boeing and Airbus in jet engine business by now. China has tried to build a jet engine for many years now from scratch. They have tons of engineers and scientists working on it. Still its jet engine performance has not caught up with the West yet, but it is good enough to use domestically. The same with the China chip business. It will take a very long while to experiment things and learns their physics, before any advance can be made. However, they have luck with their trains and water-propulsion engine system. It is mile ahead of the West now. They have built it from scratch. They are experimenting every physics, electrical and material laws creatively possible to create it, but that is not enough. The thing with engineering is no model is perfect. There is always a need to be more perfect.

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Old 08-27-2017, 09:04 PM
 
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Hardware is not easily duplicate. In fact, they are very very complex. Computer, for example, has millions of components inside. CPU main chip processors alone have millions of transistors and other parts inside. It is very very hard to figure how they interact with each other electrically totally, because the designer who understand the physics, material and electric principles, design it very creatively. They are always built on the previous generations and blueprints. Just like Coca Cola coke formula. They keep it in a secret bank. No ones exactly know what it is maybe except very very few people. WD-40 brand product is another example. No ones to these days has exactly duplicated the same thing.

If it were so easily to duplicate, China will have overtaken Intel and Nvidia in chip business or Boeing and Airbus in jet engine business by now. China has tried to build a jet engine for many years now from scratch. They have tons of engineers and scientists working on it. Still its jet engine performance has not caught up with the West yet, but it is good enough to use domestically. The same with the China chip business. It will take a very long while to experiment things and learns their physics, before any advance can be made. However, they have luck with their trains and water-propulsion engine system. It is mile ahead of the West now. They have built it from scratch. They are experimenting every physics, electrical and material laws creatively possible to create it, but that is not enough. The thing with engineering is no model is perfect. There is always a need to be more perfect.
Yes and No.

What companies like Samsung and Huawei are doing are merely designing and outsourcing the assembly to companies like Foxconn.

It is difficult to actually manufacture the hardware because you need really dedicated machinery which I don't think China nor South Korea are there yet. That I agree with. But it isn't difficult or at least that difficult to say buy the equipment to produce things like mobiles on an assembly line.

For example Samsung and LG are leaders in OLED production but neither have the tech to make it from scratch. A dedicated machine that produced the OLED comes form Canon Senki from Japan.

Many of the Chinese factories that produce decent goods have German and Japanese robotics...China will move into this and have purchased Kuka (Germany).
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Old 08-27-2017, 09:19 PM
 
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Cell phones are all copy cats of each other mostly..yes the CPU's are designed by someone else such as Foxconn or Qualcomm else which does take skill and engineering. So when we're saying hardware can be duplicated easier we mean the assembly part of it, and then after that an OS such as Android is just thrown on them.
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Old 08-28-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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Old 08-28-2017, 11:48 AM
 
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Unrelated, but I'm definitely looking forward to their 2020 Tokyo Summer Olympics.
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