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Old 03-29-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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hong kong wants to join the 21 century and be democratic. Commies are in the way.
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Old 03-29-2019, 05:47 PM
 
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When the Britons lowered the Union Jack on the midnight of June 30, 1997, there were only 140,000+ Britons in Hong Kong even after 155 years of colonization.

But after 1997, how many people has Beijing ordered to enter the City to dilute Hong Kong's population?

1,000,000+ in merely 20 years.

Not much different from Tibet -- but actually worse than Tibet since Tibet is many many times bigger in size.

So who is the more aggressive colonizer?
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Old 03-29-2019, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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First, why should the British be there?

Second, like everywhere else, te British just took what they wanted, no pesky contracts.
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Old 03-29-2019, 07:59 PM
 
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When the Britons lowered the Union Jack on the midnight of June 30, 1997, there were only 140,000+ Britons in Hong Kong even after 155 years of colonization.

But after 1997, how many people has Beijing ordered to enter the City to dilute Hong Kong's population?

1,000,000+ in merely 20 years.

Not much different from Tibet -- but actually worse than Tibet since Tibet is many many times bigger in size.

So who is the more aggressive colonizer?

the northies!


free tibet
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Old 03-31-2019, 05:37 PM
 
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I think if the British had been smart back then, they should have just purchased New Territories just like they did with Hong Kong Island and Kowloon. This way, they would have no obligations to give it back to China.

But since Hong Kong has already been given back to China already, it is a good thing they have the one country two systems in place where Hong Kong can still run its political, economic, and social system independently from China as if it is still its own country separate from China with the exception of military and foreign policies being exclusively controlled by China. However, it is only for 50 years, which I do not think is enough time and it should be 100 years because with such a longer period of time, there is more than enough time for Hong Kong and China to adapt to each other on political, economic and social agreements. 50 years is too short and Hong Kong is simply not ready to totally integrate back to China by that time.

Since Hong Kong developed so differently from China under British rule, their politics, social system and economics are too deviated from mainland China's ways that it is like milk and lemon juice that do not mix well. Hong Kong is like milk and mainland China is like lemon juice.

I think 100 years of one country two systems is better than 50 years, or better yet it should remain like this indefinitely. It benefits China anyway because many mainland Chinese prefer to come into Hong Kong than migrating to other mainland Chinese cities being able to make more money freely than in mainland China because Hong Kong's economic policies are not as strict as in mainland China and the money they make in Hong Kong, they can easily invest economically back into China.

I think until Hong Kong and mainland China come to enough agreements regarding social life, economics and politics, they need to keep it one country two systems indefinitely as they simply are just not at the phase where they can be ready to fully reintegrate as they are like ammonia and bleach at this moment. Also, mainland China should limit bringing so much of their own cultural/social/political influences into Hong Kong. I get it about Hong Kongers needing to learn to speak Mandarin, but they have their own culture, language, social life, political life and economic life and since they technically operate as a separate country from China even though on legal documents they are part of China, they also are legally their own separate entity from China that just shares land with China. Hopefully if they come to enough agreements in politics, economics and social life later on, probably in the next 100 years or so, then they can slowly discuss being fully integrated into mainland China.

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Old 03-31-2019, 10:36 PM
 
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I think if the British had been smart back then, they should have just purchased New Territories just like they did with Hong Kong Island and Kowloon. This way, they would have no obligations to give it back to China.

But since Hong Kong has already been given back to China already, it is a good thing they have the one country two systems in place where Hong Kong can still run its political, economic, and social system independently from China as if it is still its own country separate from China with the exception of military and foreign policies being exclusively controlled by China. However, it is only for 50 years, which I do not think is enough time and it should be 100 years because with such a longer period of time, there is more than enough time for Hong Kong and China to adapt to each other on political, economic and social agreements. 50 years is too short and Hong Kong is simply not ready to totally integrate back to China by that time.

Since Hong Kong developed so differently from China under British rule, their politics, social system and economics are too deviated from mainland China's ways that it is like milk and lemon juice that do not mix well. Hong Kong is like milk and mainland China is like lemon juice.

I think 100 years of one country two systems is better than 50 years, or better yet it should remain like this indefinitely. It benefits China anyway because many mainland Chinese prefer to come into Hong Kong than migrating to other mainland Chinese cities being able to make more money freely than in mainland China because Hong Kong's economic policies are not as strict as in mainland China and the money they make in Hong Kong, they can easily invest economically back into China.

I think until Hong Kong and mainland China come to enough agreements regarding social life, economics and politics, they need to keep it one country two systems indefinitely as they simply are just not at the phase where they can be ready to fully reintegrate as they are like ammonia and bleach at this moment. Also, mainland China should limit bringing so much of their own cultural/social/political influences into Hong Kong. I get it about Hong Kongers needing to learn to speak Mandarin, but they have their own culture, language, social life, political life and economic life and since they technically operate as a separate country from China even though on legal documents they are part of China, they also are legally their own separate entity from China that just shares land with China. Hopefully if they come to enough agreements in politics, economics and social life later on, probably in the next 100 years or so, then they can slowly discuss being fully integrated into mainland China.

Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun - Mao Zedong


What can hong kong do against the CCP and the PLA? THey can't fight back. CHina technically doesn't even need Hong kong anymore. Westerners go straight to shanghai. That's where all the money is. Hong kong will just be another Chinese city. Freedom is not free. They will end just like the tibeteans and uighers if they try to fight back. the communists have control until they lose their mandate from heaven from either natural disaster, economic disaster, or a taiping rebellion by enough converted bible thumpers
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Old 12-03-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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New Territories was a big part of HK where the Chinese residents resisted the British and Japanese rule.

Decolonisation was the trend after World War Two, the British saw the Portuguese as a bad example when they got into big trouble trying to keep Portuguese colonies by fighting the Africans.

British did not recognise the colonies' people as British, this was to stop colonies' and ex colonies' people from moving to the UK.

Puerto Ricans can easily move to the mainland US, Overseas French to Metropolitan France and HK Chinese can easily move to mainland China.
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It is pointless for British to do that. Even to retain Hong Kong Island is a kind of pointless too in this age.

British has never recognized Hong Kongers as its own citizen. They were denied immigrating to UK and treated as second-class citizens. It is meaningless to have the land without giving its native locals full citizenship rights and let them integrating to serve the nation.
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