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OMG it turned out the extradition law was originally intended to send the confessed killer to TAIWAN?!?!
I thought everyone knew that. It all started because of a murder taken place in Taiwan, but the HK and Beijing authorities' ulterior motives were so obvious that they could only fool the dumbest of dumb.
The fact that livelihood in HK sucks balls thanks to Beijing is the main reason why the protest got as bad as it is.
OMG it turned out the extradition law was originally intended to send the confessed killer to TAIWAN?!?!
I know but it doesn't matter. You have to stick it to the communists and nationalists when you get a chance. They're like the third reich on an orwellian level.
I am no fan of the communists; I wish communism would officially die, but...
1. Today's CCP is communists in name only
2. I don't think this law was conspired By Beijing. If Beijing wanted an extrsdition law, it can simply enact it any time.
3. The protestors are just using this chance to vent their displeasure about HK being ruled By China, So on this issue I think protestors are on the short end of reason and honesty
4. Most importantly, this protest is a joke and will only set HK back, not enhance it. Not only were the fighting Mickey Mouse in nature, the attention keep being sidetracked to "policewoman with big ****", "hot girl got arrested"... It's a joke.
As Mao said, revolution is not partying. I think HK protestors are partying -- and that's the HK I know.
I am no fan of the communists; I wish communism would officially die, but...
1. Today's CCP is communists in name only
To an extent. A few years ago, I would have agreed. The CCP doesn't provide healthcare, housing, basic needs, etc to its citizens, so it fails on these levels. However, it is recovering much of the authoritarianism it lost over the last 4 decades. State-owned enterprises get lucrative contracts and preferential treatment, and private-owned enterprises which achieve great success are increasingly coming under BJ's thumb.
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2. I don't think this law was conspired By Beijing. If Beijing wanted an extrsdition law, it can simply enact it any time.
It is extremely naive to believe that Beijing didn't have anything to do with this. Carrie Lam was hand-picked by BJ, as an instrument to further along the mainland CCP agenda in HK, so it would be daft to think that this formed in a vacuum.
Beijing can't simply enforce an extradition law all the same that it can't put boots on the ground in HK, because of the damage it would do to both the PRC and HK economies.
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3. The protestors are just using this chance to vent their displeasure about HK being ruled By China, So on this issue I think protestors are on the short end of reason and honesty
Initially, the protests were more just about the extradition bill, and were generally quite civil, like the 2014 protests. The biggest escalations in the protest movement and the insistence on democracy, amnesty, etc became an issue after the HKPD tried to use brute force to get the protesters to cow.
Even if you skew towards mainland sympathy and don't like the protester's methods, you should be able to understand where their frustration stems from.
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4. Most importantly, this protest is a joke and will only set HK back, not enhance it. Not only were the fighting Mickey Mouse in nature, the attention keep being sidetracked to "policewoman with big ****", "hot girl got arrested"... It's a joke.
It's most certainly not a joke, or it wouldn't have gotten to where it is now and China wouldn't be struggling (and failing) to figure out how to react to it. I don't know wth you're talking about, I've never seen anything pushed in the media about sexy policewomen or hot girls being arrested at all. The main focus seems to be on violence, on both sides.
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As Mao said, revolution is not partying. I think HK protestors are partying -- and that's the HK I know.
Not trying to come across as antagonistic, but tbh it doesn't sound like you know HK or its people (specifically, its young people) very well.
The Chinese and Hong Kong governments regard HK people as fools and would believe that they care for the life of a young girl who was murdered in Taiwan.
If they care, why didn't they allow a policeman from Taiwan to come to the restricted area at Hong Kong Airport to escort this criminal back to Taiwan?
Three years ago, the Taiwan government also made same kind of arrangement by allowing HK policemen to accompany three suspects at Taoyuan Airport back on the flight to Hong Kong.
Why does China need an extradition law? Quite simple.
Because after Chairman Xi came to power, he was much less intolerant than his predecessors that he couldn't even tolerate gossips about his private life.
So he sent National Security guys to Hong Kong to kidnap all staff (one kidnapped from Thailand) of the Causeway Bay Bookstore which published a book about his romance.
After they succeeded, they became bolder. They even went to the Four Seasons Hotel to abduct a rich tycoon from Mainland (he had a team of bodyguards).
And finally CCP aimed for the HK tycoons like Li Ka Shing. In Mainland media, they had a slogan "Don't let Li Ka Shing flee!). Because in the minds of CCP, every penny the capitalists earn in China is a favor granted by CCP. You'd better surrender them sooner for better. So that is why the richest 100 in China either committed suicide or got incarcerated. Lucky few like Jack Ma surrendered all his holdings in Alibaba to remain a few man.
But they can't rely on National Security guys to abduct Li. There is a big chance that the operation goes wrong and they will be embarrassed. So they need a formal and legal way to do it.
In the anti-extradition bill, the most vicious clause is that any government official in Mainland can notify HK police to hold up any assets of a businessman who is alleged to indulge in corruption in China without due process or authorization from HK court.
All the HK tycoons are worried especially Li. So rumor circulated that it is Li and the other tycoons, not CIA, who are actually financing all the demonstrations.
So finally the bill is withdrawn. Despite CCP's blah blah blah, they can't beat HK tycoons.
To an extent. A few years ago, I would have agreed. The CCP doesn't provide healthcare, housing, basic needs, etc to its citizens, so it fails on these levels. However, it is recovering much of the authoritarianism it lost over the last 4 decades. State-owned enterprises get lucrative contracts and preferential treatment, and private-owned enterprises which achieve great success are increasingly coming under BJ's thumb.
It is extremely naive to believe that Beijing didn't have anything to do with this. Carrie Lam was hand-picked by BJ, as an instrument to further along the mainland CCP agenda in HK, so it would be daft to think that this formed in a vacuum.
Beijing can't simply enforce an extradition law all the same that it can't put boots on the ground in HK, because of the damage it would do to both the PRC and HK economies.
Initially, the protests were more just about the extradition bill, and were generally quite civil, like the 2014 protests. The biggest escalations in the protest movement and the insistence on democracy, amnesty, etc became an issue after the HKPD tried to use brute force to get the protesters to cow.
Even if you skew towards mainland sympathy and don't like the protester's methods, you should be able to understand where their frustration stems from.
It's most certainly not a joke, or it wouldn't have gotten to where it is now and China wouldn't be struggling (and failing) to figure out how to react to it. I don't know wth you're talking about, I've never seen anything pushed in the media about sexy policewomen or hot girls being arrested at all. The main focus seems to be on violence, on both sides.
Not trying to come across as antagonistic, but tbh it doesn't sound like you know HK or its people (specifically, its young people) very well.
Hmmm... I don't quite see Beijing struggling over this. I see Beijing not giving a **** about it, which makes sense tome if I were in Xi's place. Hong Kong is choking itself to death economically, which is pretty perfect - the source of Hong Kongers' arrogance really is just that HK society has been richer than the Mainland. When HK falls behind economically, then HK will be exactly like TW today, fading into irrelevancy and actually relying more and more on Mainland.
Prior to this protest, the only thing Beijing can do to bridge the disparity between HK and Shenzhen was to try to develop Shenzhen; it would not have been possible for Beijing to slow HK down. Now the protesters are doing the job for Beijing.
The last time I was in Shenzhen, I was shocked to find prices in Hua Qiang mall were same as in HK -- a tall cup of specialty tea cost me 17 RMB. This says something about the purchase power of Shenzhen residents.
Hence the heading of this thread - I think the protesters are playing right into the hands of the central government.
To an extent. A few years ago, I would have agreed. The CCP doesn't provide healthcare, housing, basic needs, etc to its citizens, so it fails on these levels. However, it is recovering much of the authoritarianism it lost over the last 4 decades. State-owned enterprises get lucrative contracts and preferential treatment, and private-owned enterprises which achieve great success are increasingly coming under BJ's thumb.
State-owned enterprises have always got lucrative contracts in China and private companies always need to follow the party line. I do not see a massive increase in state owned company market share in my personal life, and we do not see in statistics either. Also, many countries we do not consider socialist/communist like the UAE, have a large presence of state owned companies.
Socially I definitely see a change, with more pro Xi Jingping and communist party propaganda, and that is definitely worrying. Economically Xi is more pro-SOE than his predecessors, but he is definitely not brininging back communism. If he tried, then the economy would collapse.
Last edited by Camlon; 10-24-2019 at 06:39 PM..
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