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Old 11-13-2019, 11:41 PM
 
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I see violence escalated a bit over the past few days. But it is still nowhere near the revolution caliber any success requires; it still looks mire like a child's tantrum. I think Beijing us not worried one bit, may be even privately hoping this situation continues...
There is no level of violence that would lead to anything. If it gets bad enough, they will just give China green light to send in the PLA.

Right now the protestors can fight because the HK police numbers are too low, and they are given bail after being arrested. PLA will enter the universities from all sides, and they will get arrested in a few hours. That also mean their weapons factories will get closed down and they will soon run out resources.

But for now the protest is quite useful to increase mainland support for the government, and they do not want the diplomatic fallout of a PLA crackdown.
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Old 11-13-2019, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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How does it feel to see the protests failing?

I told you it would not end well, I told you peaceful tactics are more effective, but the only thing you could say was "lol". Hopefully you have learned something.
For the 180143615468301415th time. The protest was peaceful. The cops were not. And you are so full of ****.
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Old 11-14-2019, 12:05 AM
 
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For the 180143615468301415th time. The protest was peaceful. The cops were not. And you are so full of ****.
The protests had violent elements from day 1. Here is from the first protest
"Protesters threw bottles and metal barricades at police and pushed barricades while officers responded with pepper spray."
Bottles is a weapon that can kill, pepper spray is not.

Then the protests broke into Legco, trashed the airport and beat up a mainland journalist. So peaceful

After the airport incident even the protestors themselves realized they went to far, but instead of going back to relatively peaceful protests they got a million times worse. For a while the protestors argued that the violence was neccesary because the Umbrella movement did not lead to a desirable outcome. Now we can start to see the results of violent protests, and it does not look pretty.

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Old 11-14-2019, 08:08 AM
 
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The people beated a Japanese man and many HK people who are not policemen and some mainland chinese. They leave white people stoping the vandalising, shouting at them or removing the things blocking roads alone.

Students or young people shot arrows, threw many petrol bombs, chairs and bricks from universities in the past few days. A whole mall near an university was badly vandalised with a large Christmas tree set in flame. A middle age man was set in flame and a 70 years old man was hit by bricks, both are in critical conditions. 1 to 2 million people could not go to work or were late due to deliberate blocking of roads and the MTR. Due to safety and classes cancelled, Non local students are fleeing HK, back to their homelands including mainland China and taiwan. The most famous university of Taiwan is offering students previously studying in HK a chance to study there.

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Old 11-14-2019, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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The protests had violent elements from day 1. Here is from the first protest
"Protesters threw bottles and metal barricades at police and pushed barricades while officers responded with pepper spray."
Bottles is a weapon that can kill, pepper spray is not.

Then the protests broke into Legco, trashed the airport and beat up a mainland journalist. So peaceful

After the airport incident even the protestors themselves realized they went to far, but instead of going back to relatively peaceful protests they got a million times worse. For a while the protestors argued that the violence was neccesary because the Umbrella movement did not lead to a desirable outcome. Now we can start to see the results of violent protests, and it does not look pretty.




Yeah, all these never happened. Cops raping and shooting people is all fine but a couple of protesters throwing bottles is inexcusable.

You are despicable.
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Old 11-14-2019, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Police storming College campus is a very bad idea. It reminds many older Americans about Kent State (most fellow posters may not know but Senators should remember).

And of course police shooting at unarmed demonstrator does not help either.

However, I would say that violence escalates from both sides to an intolerable level. And it does not seem to come to an end soon.

Even if they send in the PLA, it may not quell the unrest. The compact urban landscape is very suitable for guerrilla-type confrontation. And those radical demonstrators have learnt quite a lot in the past six months.
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Old 11-14-2019, 05:05 PM
 
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For the 180143615468301415th time. The protest was peaceful. The cops were not. And you are so full of ****.
And you sir are biased and willfully ignorant. Most of us here are not ignorant of what is going on.

HK will not be a British or American colony ever again.
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Old 11-14-2019, 05:08 PM
 
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Yeah, all these never happened. Cops raping and shooting people is all fine but a couple of protesters throwing bottles is inexcusable.

You are despicable.
You're twisting the truth, you are despicable. I saw what happened in the videos you took those stills from. Can you put up the videos? Or should I?

We;re not stupid, just hang it up.
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Old 11-14-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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Yeah, all these never happened. Cops raping and shooting people is all fine but a couple of protesters throwing bottles is inexcusable.

You are despicable.
The bottles was only on July 9, since then they upgraded to even more lethal weapons. None of those pictures are from July 9. You claimed the protetors was peaceful in the beginning, but that obviouisly not true. Also, if you think throwing bottles is fine, maybe police should throw bottles on the protestors instead. I bet that would not lead to hundreds to injured protestors

You are the one who is despicable, one of them is just pepper spray and an arrest, another is gun used for self defence and you would know that if you knew the story. Also, what you think about these incidents?

Hong Kong protester sets man on fire
Rioters attacked and humiliated the victim
Rioter beaten woman as usual.
Woman beaten by mob in Hong Kong. Protesters use umbrella to block press cameras
Girl surrounded and beaten by group of rioters

You seem perfectly content with violence if it is coming from your side. If I were like you I would have said that those protestors deserve to be beaten up by the police. But I am not like you, I want police to show restraint. But some injured people is impossible, it could have been much worse, in Chile 20 people have died.

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Old 11-14-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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HK lives matter!


the CCP wants this to happen so they can extend their mandate of tyranny.


battle of red cliffs!
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