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Old 09-08-2019, 10:41 PM
 
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For example, could Indonesia or Bangladesh or Nigeria or Russia or Brazil have done it?

Just wondering why China and not anyone else.....
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Old 09-09-2019, 09:29 AM
 
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In a word - no.
Why? Because these other countries do not have the unique political, cultural, and economic elements in place as existed right before China's economic boom (late 70s). Why China during that period? In the late 1970s the government introduced economic reforms that change China from more authoritative to less centralized, from agricultural to industrial from more sheltered to accepting foreign investment. It always was a sleeping giant, it was just a matter of unleashing it's potential.

You should say "China's success in the 1980s to 2010". While still an economic giant, they have been sliding down the last decade or so. One would have to both try to replicate it's success but avoid it's failures (and we have yet to see how far down they will go).
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:18 AM
 
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For example, could Indonesia or Bangladesh or Nigeria or Russia or Brazil have done it?

Just wondering why China and not anyone else.....
Not those countries for obvious reasons.

But there are other countries who also managed to get high growth rates such as Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.
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Old 09-09-2019, 03:07 PM
 
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China will always be on its own class.

the more than a billion population makes it very enticing to enter its market.

have you heard of this before?

"if i could only sell even just $1.00 for every person in China..."

and that was true even during the travels of Marco Polo

and it still true today
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Old 09-09-2019, 07:54 PM
 
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China replicated the success of other countries. It's not unprecedented. It's just bigger.
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Old 09-09-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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Maybe other countries with huge population such as India, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh and Russia?
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:31 PM
 
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my amateur observation is, only japan came close to the economic power of china, but japan fizzled out after 30 years. S Korea is still at the peak of its late run, dont know yet what will be the outlook. All others seem to have just flash successes... Taiwan has been stagnant for 15-20 years now, Indonesia and Malaysia showed some promise in the 90s but did not go anywhere. SG has produced miracle but the size is just too small. India has the population but has not even started.

Are these all just coincidence? Or is it destiny?
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:53 PM
 
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my amateur observation is, only japan came close to the economic power of china, but japan fizzled out after 30 years. S Korea is still at the peak of its late run, dont know yet what will be the outlook. All others seem to have just flash successes... Taiwan has been stagnant for 15-20 years now, Indonesia and Malaysia showed some promise in the 90s but did not go anywhere. SG has produced miracle but the size is just too small. India has the population but has not even started.

Are these all just coincidence? Or is it destiny?
Those countries stagnated earlier than China, because they started earlier than China. Japan started to grow in the 50s, and Taiwan and South Korea started to grow in the 60s. If they were to keep growing, they would be richest countries in the world. China's growth only started in the 80s, and there are clear signs that China is slowing down.

If you think about size, then yes China is pretty much the only one. India, Bangladesh and Pakistan are too messed up. Indonesia has some potential but its too spread out. Brazil is an overregulated mess, Nigeria is hopelessly corrupt and people are uneducated. The rest have too few people to be even remotely close to the economic power of China.
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:12 AM
 
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my amateur observation is, only japan came close to the economic power of china, but japan fizzled out after 30 years. S Korea is still at the peak of its late run, dont know yet what will be the outlook. All others seem to have just flash successes... Taiwan has been stagnant for 15-20 years now, Indonesia and Malaysia showed some promise in the 90s but did not go anywhere. SG has produced miracle but the size is just too small. India has the population but has not even started.

Are these all just coincidence? Or is it destiny?
Japan was a better China than China. By the 1990s Japan had already become one of the wealthiest countries in the world per capita. Its GDP per capita in the 90s was close to Switzerland and Norway and well above the US. Its economy size was 2/3 of the US with 1/3 of the population. Even after nearly 3 decades of stagnation it's still in the same league as other developed countries and an extremely prosperous and stable society with strong institution in place. Yes it is lagging behind in certain areas and the population keeps declining, but quality of life will remain high.

Today China's economy size is also 2/3 of the US, but it's got 5 times the population. The vast majority of the population is still poor and it's already showing signs of stagnation. With all the corruption, the non-existent civil society, the gigantic wealth gap and all the other crazy policies, the prospect is not optimistic at all in the long run.
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Old 09-10-2019, 12:58 AM
 
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Japan was a better China than China. By the 1990s Japan had already become one of the wealthiest countries in the world per capita. Its GDP per capita in the 90s was close to Switzerland and Norway and well above the US. Its economy size was 2/3 of the US with 1/3 of the population.
Altough I agree with the premise, please do not make up numbers.

If you try to claim that you actually meant nominal numbers for 1995, the year when Japans currency was extremly overvalued, then it is still wrong, because it was 50% larger not 100% and it was not close to Norway.

Average gdp per capita (nominal) in the 90s
Switzerland: 41,558
Japan: 34,478
Norway: 32,378
United States: 28,584

Average gdp per capita (ppp) in the 90s
Norway: 36,309
Switzerland. 33,098
United States: 28,496
Japan: 23,282

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al)_per_capita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...PP)_per_capita

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