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I think you are mixing two different things. Yes, they won the election and they deserve to have the power. If Hong Kong was a true democracy the pro-democracy would have been in power a long time ago.
But, Hong Kong is not a true democracy and if you want Hong Kong to get a true democracy you need more support than almost 60%. Especially considering that it is possible to win in the biased elections if the support is high enough. To get that they need to use more peaceful tactics and stop the bigotry against mainlanders.
A big tent movement will be much more effective than the current Hong Kongers vs mainlanders.
Why do you even keep belaboring this?
The point is that HK isn't a democracy, hasn't been a true one ever. It's a work in progress.
There was a pervasive stereotype or image of HK people being apathetic about politics, and just wanting to make money. I think those days are over.
Things don't happen overnight - heck, Gandhi strived for 30+ years for Indian independence, against a resistant British Empire - and remember, India was the "jewel in the crown" of its imperial holdings.
So, too, will HK political evolution - it will take time. And the enthusiasm for relatively low level offices that deal with ordinary issues such as trash disposal is a good sign.
Everyone and their mother knows that the police brutality against PoC in the US is well-documented and not improving. The fact that you can only reference the worst offender clearly shows how unacceptable the police brutality in HK has been. Many American cops being violent pieces of **** does not justify police brutality anywhere else when there are much better examples such as Taiwanese police force. During the 2014 protest the protesters even stormed inside the Parliament and the worst was a bit of beating at some point, then all the protesters have been acquitted of all the charges.
In any case - the HK police force, once considered "Asia's Finest", has pretty much ruined their reputation and standing as one of the most professional law enforcement units in the region.
You are right, China is really out of touch with the rest of the world. The leaders of China still think we are in the cold war, and is forgetting the power of social media and alliances.
I do not expect any big changes in China before Xi Jinping get sidelined. He and his group of old men was heavily influenced by the cultural revolution and do understand how to win soft power.
A lot of them will retire in 2023, we might see some changes then. But for Hong Kong I think change will come much too late.
What has been happening in HK is the direct result of Xi Jinpings leadership error and backward ideological leanings. He decided to tighten up when he should have loosened up. He decided to become more authoritarian when he should have been less. He tries to entrench the ccp exclusive hold on China when he should instead be enabling eventual multiparty democracy.
Unfortunately I don't think Emperor Xi has any intention of retiring in 2023
Many if not most of the radical anti-CCP people actually hate (mainland) Chinese people. That is my genuine observation.
Those who do not hate Chinese people usually do not care too much about this issue, even if they dislike China government.
Most of the world hates the CCP. Few hate Chinese people
What has been happening in HK is the direct result of Xi Jinpings leadership error and backward ideological leanings. He decided to tighten up when he should have loosened up. He decided to become more authoritarian when he should have been less. He tries to entrench the ccp exclusive hold on China when he should instead be enabling eventual multiparty democracy.
Unfortunately I don't think Emperor Xi has any intention of retiring in 2023
It is not just Xi Jinping, he is surrounded with other people from the same generation. That generation is a little bit messed up due to the cultural revolution. It is also the generation that the Youtuber Serpentza call evil uncles.
Xi Jinping is not going to voluntarily retire in 2023, but many of his collegues will. It is not impossible that his power will weaken in the period 2023 to 2028, and China will start to open up. It probably will be much slower than what westerners want, but over time we might see the relationship between China and the western world improve.
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Originally Posted by TheArchitect
Most of the world hates the CCP. Few hate Chinese people
True, but the people who are radical anti-CCP are often driven by hate against Chinese instead of just hate against CCP. It is similar to Israel, a lot of people dislike Israels actions, but radical anti-Israel groups like Hamas also hate Jews.
Just look at what people have said in this thread.
1. China should revert back to communism, because that would impoverish the Chinese population and hence reduce Chinas influence.
2. Would not care if millions of chinese get massacred.
3. Conspiracy theories about PLA invading this thread.
4. Instead of denying that he think Chinese are subhuman, he instead says there is nothing wrong with amnosity towards chinese.
Just look at what people have said in this thread.
1. China should revert back to communism, because that would impoverish the Chinese population and hence reduce Chinas influence.
2. Would not care if millions of chinese get massacred.
3. Conspiracy theories about PLA invading this thread.
4. Instead of denying that he think Chinese are subhuman, he instead says there is nothing wrong with amnosity towards chinese.
All these are acceptable when you're Taiwanese. You are in your dreams if you want me to be friendly to a bunch of morons that get triggered whenever a company's website has a separate listing for Taiwan and would force them to take it down.
All these are acceptable when you're Taiwanese. You are in your dreams if you want me to be friendly to a bunch of morons that get triggered whenever a company's website has a separate listing for Taiwan and would force them to take it down.
Hating an ethnic group is not acceptable no matter who you are.
Also, all the Taiwanese I have met are not bigots like you. How do you explain that?
Hating an ethnic group is not acceptable no matter who you are.
Also, all the Taiwanese I have met are not bigots like you. How do you explain that?
We are the same ethnic group so you can keep your bigot bs to yourself.
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