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Old 11-28-2019, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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Lots of people saying here that wealthy areas in HK like the Peak/Mid-levels are solidly pro-Beijing, and that the pro-Democracy movement is more populist, working class.

Now this may be true, BUT even the wealthy should be afraid of Beijing. Look at China now. There are zero property rights. Eminent Domain and asset seizure is rampant. State owns everything, red tape like you wouldn't believe. The wealthy in HK need to wake up and join the revolution against Xi Jinping's tyranny. It's every man's fight. Democracy is critical in ensuring that Hong Kongers can vote for candidates and policies that benefit the free market, respect property rights, say no to state enterprise, say no to the government ownership and rationing of land that has made Hong Kong's real estate the most unaffordable in the developed world.
One way or the other at this point there's no way that taking a stand against Xi and fighting back is going to play out well for an HK million- or billionaire. BJ isn't above handing out surprise one-way tickets to Shenzhen for wealthy and influential people in HK who break step with them, or from seizing assets and capital that's within mainland borders.
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Old 11-28-2019, 05:42 PM
 
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I don't think that's the case at all. Even when I was in art school my professors took strong social and political stances ("ok we are going to emphasize refractive light and color this week but first I'd like to remind everyone that Bush stole the election and we should all work collectively to resist facism. Anyways...") and many US college campuses have become hotbeds of political dissent with some professors leading the charge.

Of course it depends which college and what program - you are much less likely to hear a computer scientist at Stanford take a political stance than a gender & women's studies professor at Evergreen. But I'd suspect that HK has much less of this than the US.
American professors usually do not say radical things in class, because that can offend some students and they will be reported. I took both engineering classes and liberal arts classes in the US, and never heard such things.

On the other hand, well educated people are actually less likely to be radical because they understand different perspectives.
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Old 11-28-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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Xi Jinping is not going to voluntarily retire in 2023, but many of his collegues will. It is not impossible that his power will weaken in the period 2023 to 2028, and China will start to open up. It probably will be much slower than what westerners want, but over time we might see the relationship between China and the western world improve.
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Most people don't really understand China.

At fundamental level, China is the most democratic liberal state in the world. All leaders at town level in China are elected through direct vote. Whoever gets the most votes in the election will become the leader. It is more much direct than US. Very often, people go to a city working for some manufacture and return to the town. They get elected to be a leader because people in the town think they are sophisticated.

At city level or state level, you have to demonstrate exceptional leadership skills and experiences at basic level in order to picked by the upper echelons. China's established upper echelons once were from basic levels. President Xi went through this route.

Moreover, Chinese don't trust their government and media. They think is all all propaganda. Also Chinese
are world travelers. They understand the world much more first hand They don't really depend on news media or government for information. They understand all new media are filtered, which are prone to personal biased or political agenda.
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Old 11-28-2019, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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Most people don't really understand China.

At fundamental level, China is the most democratic liberal state in the world. All leaders at town level in China are elected through direct vote. Whoever gets the most votes in the election will become the leader. It is more much direct than US. Very often, people go to a city working for some manufacture and return to the town. They get elected to be a leader because people in the town think they are sophisticated.

At city level or state level, you have to demonstrate exceptional leadership skills and experiences at basic level in order to picked by the upper echelons. China's established upper echelons once were from basic levels. President Xi went through this route.

Moreover, Chinese don't trust their government and media. They think is all all propaganda. Also Chinese
are world travelers. They understand the world much more first hand They don't really depend on news media or government for information. They understand all new media are filtered, which are prone to personal biased or political agenda.
Wow this has to be the most laughable statement I've heard all year, and it's almost the end of the year.
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Old 11-28-2019, 08:12 PM
 
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Most people don't really understand China.

At fundamental level, China is the most democratic liberal state in the world. All leaders at town level in China are elected through direct vote. Whoever gets the most votes in the election will become the leader. It is more much direct than US. Very often, people go to a city working for some manufacture and return to the town. They get elected to be a leader because people in the town think they are sophisticated.

At city level or state level, you have to demonstrate exceptional leadership skills and experiences at basic level in order to picked by the upper echelons. China's established upper echelons once were from basic levels. President Xi went through this route.

Moreover, Chinese don't trust their government and media. They think is all all propaganda. Also Chinese
are world travelers. They understand the world much more first hand They don't really depend on news media or government for information. They understand all new media are filtered, which are prone to personal biased or political agenda.
Well said. But haters won't listen to you.
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Old 11-28-2019, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Well said. But haters won't listen to you.

no one listens to pla unit 61398


stability and party above all else
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Old 11-29-2019, 01:24 AM
 
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no one listens to pla unit 61398


stability and party above all else
Yeah, name calling sounds mature.
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Old 11-29-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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Yeah, name calling sounds mature.



no name calling


facts
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Old 11-29-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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no one listens to pla unit 61398

stability and party above all else
Please keep pushing your PLA unit 61398 nonsense. You are doing a great job showing everyone what kind of person you are.

Also, if you insult me again in Chinese that would be the icing on the cake
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Old 11-29-2019, 05:16 PM
 
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One way or the other at this point there's no way that taking a stand against Xi and fighting back is going to play out well for an HK million- or billionaire.
Sure, in the short run. BUT in the long run, when China gets even more control over HK, it will be the end of HK's economic freedoms as we know it.
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