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Old 07-27-2020, 04:31 AM
 
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Also because racist incidents against East Asians increased in some western countries since the pandemic.

Giving out full citizenship and or a large amount of money do not work. the UK needs to get rid of racism if it wants to attract rich or educated British National (Overseas). Many people came back to Asia from the UK and some other western countries due to families still in Asia and increased racism against them during the pandemic. These people can earn and live decently in China including HK and Macau, better than starting new life full of uncertainties in new western countries.
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Old 07-27-2020, 05:06 AM
 
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Also because racist incidents against East Asians increased in some western countries since the pandemic.

Giving out full citizenship and or a large amount of money do not work. the UK needs to get rid of racism if it wants to attract rich or educated British National (Overseas). Many people came back to Asia from the UK and some other western countries due to families still in Asia and increased racism against them during the pandemic. These people can earn and live decently in China including HK and Macau, better than starting new life full of uncertainties in new western countries.
well, it's impossible for western countries to get rid of racism, US to get rid of gun control issues, or any country to get rid of all their problems. Every country has their own problems due its unique history and culture. And those problems should be dealt with by the countries/people themselves without any foreign interference. All this "I'm superior, you are evil" crap makes me sick.
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Old 07-27-2020, 05:26 AM
 
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They are not leaving because they have bad relationship, they are leaving because they percieve China as an equal or better place to live than America.
I don’t see how this has anything to do with the Houston consulate being shut down or the busted Chinese spy.

You just have to take every chance to talk up China and talk down America even when it’s not remotely pertinent to the discussion. It’s laughable, pathetic, and reeks of inferiority complex.
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Old 07-27-2020, 06:11 AM
 
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I don’t see how this has anything to do with the Houston consulate being shut down or the busted Chinese spy.
If you knew anything about China you would understand the connection.

Closing the consulate make Chinese perceive the US as a worse country to live in. This, and other factors like racism, riots and the US inability to handle the pandemic has lead to a lot of Chinese reconsider living in America.

The result is that the brain drain from China to the United States has reversed.

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Old 07-27-2020, 07:27 AM
 
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If you knew anything about China you would understand the connection.

Closing the consulate make Chinese perceive the US as a worse country to live in. This, and other factors like racism, riots and the US inability to handle the pandemic has lead to a lot of Chinese reconsider living in America.

The result is that the brain drain from China to the United States has reversed.

Great news - that means more high salary/high tech jobs for American Citizens and less stolen technology by Chinese students that they are selling to there home country.
Oh yeah, Chinese students - riots on every street corner. Don't move or study here.

I call that win-win...high five!
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:25 AM
 
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Great news - that means more high salary/high tech jobs for American Citizens and less stolen technology by Chinese students that they are selling to there home country.
Oh yeah, Chinese students - riots on every street corner. Don't move or study here.

I call that win-win...high five!
You will find that for talents, the job follows the talent, not the other way around.

And many companies will move or downsize if they cannot recruit the best people from all over the world. We might see a resurgence of European companies and universities as it becomes the most attractive place to do business and research.

And it is not just Chinese that are losing interest in moving to the USA. The whole western world has lost interest too.
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:52 AM
 
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You will find that for talents, the job follows the talent, not the other way around.

And many companies will move or downsize if they cannot recruit the best people from all over the world. We might see a resurgence of European companies and universities as it becomes the most attractive place to do business and research.

And it is not just Chinese that are losing interest in moving to the USA. The whole western world has lost interest too.
If it was true that the jobs followed the talent, then neither Silicon Valley nor Shenzhen would necessarily be tech hubs, nor would London and NYC be banking and finance centers or Boston a biomed hub, all of which attract some of the best and brightest of their disciplines in the world.

It is certainly possible that we could see a resurgence of Europe in these industries and it wouldn't surprise me nor would o view it as a bad thing. China's running into more barriers as it alienates itself not just from the US but also much of the EU as well as Canada, and Australia; if it can play its cards right to retain and attract top talent from the US then more power to it, but it definitely remains to be seen if and when that will happen.

As of yet, the tech and biomed sectors of the US are quite robust and there's no real indication of a brain drain on a disruptive scale at this point. The consulate closures aren't giving US/Chinese expats in either country a feeling of security but I don't see this as being a clear indicator that the US' tech industry is poised to dramatically crash in the near future.
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Old 07-27-2020, 09:14 AM
 
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You will find that for talents, the job follows the talent, not the other way around.

And many companies will move or downsize if they cannot recruit the best people from all over the world. We might see a resurgence of European companies and universities as it becomes the most attractive place to do business and research.

And it is not just Chinese that are losing interest in moving to the USA. The whole western world has lost interest too.
My thread was halfway satirical, but it was true. No you conclusions are as simplified as my satire...The talent follows the salary. The job follows the opportunities.
European and Asian salaries and opportunities will never compare to the US for various complex reasons that are out of the scope of this discussion, actually China is learning now they have to pay the salary to keep the talent and that is one of the main reasons Chinese are now staying in China.
US companies also recruit from overseas because they know they can get away with paying less of a salary vs. US workers (which are still high compared to other countries), hence the H-1B visa restrictions. We have plenty of the best and brightest right here in the US.
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Old 07-27-2020, 09:24 AM
 
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You will find that for talents, the job follows the talent, not the other way around.

And many companies will move or downsize if they cannot recruit the best people from all over the world. We might see a resurgence of European companies and universities as it becomes the most attractive place to do business and research.

And it is not just Chinese that are losing interest in moving to the USA. The whole western world has lost interest too.
Right. A bunch of students that can barely speak English and cheat their asses off not staying in America would make Europe, a continent of has-beens, great again. Amazon, Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Disney, Netflix, JP Morgan will move or downsize as no1curr European companies pay their employees 25% of what Silicon Valley could easily offer and propser. US companies that defined the last decade with groundbreaking innovations will collapse while European companies that have barely scraped by the 2010s will rise like a phoenix again because the US soured its relations with a developing country in lots of trouble.

Europeans have a dream.
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Old 07-27-2020, 09:43 AM
 
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at this point, I'm not even sure if this is deliberate act on both sides as "4 more years" serves the best interest of the chinese more than the americans
The policy toward Russia, Iran, and China haven't changed under this administration and won't change with the next administration. The pivot against Iran and China is a realization that a confrontation with Russia can quickly turn into an existential crisis for both sides. The US think tanks were publishing studies about a shooting war devastating their civilian population and an invasion of China's mainland before the land reclamation dispute. Remember Vietnam started making over disputed territories before China. Placing forward defenses in the sea also makes it less likely to suffer civilian casualties in a shooting war.
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